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[PensandCaps]

Kuhn easily outscored Sheahan last year..I don't see how a pick + Kuhn wouldn't be enough. He has more value than Pouliot. I would love to somehow swap Pouliot for one of their Dmen like Oullett or Sproul. They're decent #7s.

A pick,Kuhn and Pouliot for Oullett and Sheahan.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

And I don't see why they would without significantly raising the price.

They wouldn't. The thing to remember with Detroit is that they're in a worse cap situation than the Pens. Taking salary back, retaining or moving most of their contracts is a major problem for them.

 

[Riptide]

if the rumor of Pouliot for him is even close to true, then I don't see why Kuhn and a late pick couldn't be.

Holland was looking for a 2nd (1st?) at the TD. I struggle to accept that he'd move him 1-1 for DP now. Somehow I suspect that we're adding to DP.

If I'm not mistaken, Detroit can still retain on a player.

Maybe we could get Sheahan at half price and open up some cap space that way, if the Wings don't need it all to sign AA.

Not happening unless you're paying a huge premium for them to do so. They need cap space almost as much as we do. That's one of the reasons Sheahan is even potentially available.

I also do not really see a reason for doing so. We have 3.28m in cap space. Acquiring Sheahan takes up 2m of that, and would leave us with ~1.3m with a 23 man roster. Having 1.3m for injuries and for the TD is HUGE. Like basically go get anyone we want at the HUGE.

Kuhn easily outscored Sheahan last year..I don't see how a pick + Kuhn wouldn't be enough. He has more value than Pouliot. I would love to somehow swap Pouliot for one of their Dmen like Oullett or Sproul. They're decent #7s.

A pick,Kuhn and Pouliot for Oullett and Sheahan.

Does he? I suspect not. I also suspect that in general league wide, Pouliot holds more value then some on here think (and I've been saying this for a while). Keep in mind that in general D have more value then W. And while Kuhnhackl is going to have some marginal value league wide... there's going to be a bunch of players similar to him who hit waivers in the next 3 weeks.

We also have no need for a #7. Pouliot can challenge for that job, or Ruhwedel can hang onto it - he's more than qualified for it.

 

[Riptide]

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[Jag68Sid87]

The way I see it, one of Kuhnhackl, S. Wilson or Rowney is going to be included in any deal we make for a 3C, which I still believe will occur before opening night. Archibald will be waived (he may or may not clear). The other two guys who are not dealt among Kuhn, Wilson and Rowney will make up the 13th and 14th forwards.

The wild cards are Sprong, Aston-Reese and Simon. If any of them make the team, somebody else has to go. I expect one of Blueger, McKegg, Johnson or Dea to start the season as the No. 4 or 5 center (depending on Rowney).

I don't think we'll keep more than 7 D, so Ruhwedel may have to be waived if all are healthy and Pouliot is still here.


Gotta believe JR is pondering a multi-player deal for a center. We have too many bodies.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Not happening unless you're paying a huge premium for them to do so. They need cap space almost as much as we do. That's one of the reasons Sheahan is even potentially available.

I also do not really see a reason for doing so. We have 3.28m in cap space. Acquiring Sheahan takes up 2m of that, and would leave us with ~1.3m with a 23 man roster. Having 1.3m for injuries and for the TD is HUGE. Like basically go get anyone we want at the HUGE.

I'd rather try my luck with Zaripov and then clear out cap space with Hagelin or something if necessary at the TDL.

 

[The Old Master]

Gotta believe JR is pondering a multi-player deal for a center. We have too many bodies.

this is the way I see it. and we now have the bodies to do it ....that may not be the case in the future.
edit; unless they think they want a d-man more.....Schmidt and haula for a slight over pay

 

[Riptide]

I'd rather try my luck with Zaripov and then clear out cap space with Hagelin or something if necessary at the TDL.

1.3m today turns into something like 5m at the TD. Significantly more if the other team retains.

 

[Ogrezilla]

1.3m today turns into something like 5m at the TD. Significantly more if the other team retains.

Yeah, good call. And you don't just get more bang for your buck, but you also get 3/4 of the season to analyze the team and what it needs.

 

[The Old Master]

1.3m today turns into something like 5m at the TD. Significantly more if the other team retains.

seems to me that prices tend to go up at the deadline.....if I remember correctly.

 

[Ogrezilla]

seems to me that prices tend to go up at the deadline.....if I remember correctly.

they do, but there are advantages that go with that. The cap benefits Rip mentioned, the ability to target specific needs 3/4 of the way through the year, and simply the extra number of available players.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Pouliot and Kuhnhackl for Sheahan, solves both issues with the extra forwards and extra D. I think it would be nice to see:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Sheahan-Hornqvist
Wilson-McKegg-Reaves
Rowney-Archibald

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Schultz
Cole-Hunwick
Ruhwedel

 

[Peat]

Worth mentioning here that we do have a surplus of solid utility wingers, some of whom could be exposed to waivers.

More significant than one of our utility wingers I fear. The cap is a cruel mistress.

Incidentally, while my guess is that if we were throwing in a utility winger as part of a Sheahan deal we'd have heard about it, I wouldn't be surprised if we were in much the same way we allegedly added the pick trade in the Reaves deal as a sweetener. Makes the value look grotty but the reality is not costing us anything much we'll miss.

While I'm pondering this deal, I find it strange that we know so much about this deal. The Pens have been pretty close mouthed recently. I see two possible reasons for this.

One is Detroit let it slip to Friedman in the hope of drumming up a last minute superior offer. The other is the Pens are broadcasting that they're about to do a deal to try and put the pressure on another GM. I forget whether Friedman or Mackey got to this deal first. If its Mackey, I very much imagine it has to be the latter. Possible I'm overthinking this, but it could be there's another deal Rutherford would do if he can get it.

I suppose there's always the third reason of a GM keeping the press sweet by slipping a virtually done deal to journalists.

 

[Malkinstheman]

While I'm pondering this deal, I find it strange that we know so much about this deal. The Pens have been pretty close mouthed recently. I see two possible reasons for this.

One is Detroit let it slip to Friedman in the hope of drumming up a last minute superior offer. The other is the Pens are broadcasting that they're about to do a deal to try and put the pressure on another GM. I forget whether Friedman or Mackey got to this deal first. If its Mackey, I very much imagine it has to be the latter. Possible I'm overthinking this, but it could be there's another deal Rutherford would do if he can get it.

I suppose there's always the third reason of a GM keeping the press sweet by slipping a virtually done deal to journalists.

I just find it weird that this deal was leaked so far in advance. When does the pittsburgh media ever give scoops like this? All we ever get is that the team might have inquired about someone or is looking to make a move at a certain position. But somehow we might even know know what is being exchanged amongst the teams....strange.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

The fact is that the KHL is a mystery to most NHL fans, and it's human nature to be dismissive about things we don't know about.

Now I don't mean to post this to single you out, but your first mention of Panarin on these boards came on April 13, 2015 when it first became known that he was coming to the NHL, and it's symptomatic of the attitude most NHL fans have about KHL imports they're unfamiliar with:



http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=100767565&highlight=panarin#post100767565

Turns out there was a pretty good reason for people to have a hard-on for that Panarin guy despite not being an NHL property, and that he wasn't an NHL property or well-known outside of KHL circles was no reflection of his ability. That's why you sometimes take chances on skilled players from different leagues if the risk is minimal and the potential reward could be great.

Ah, the old "dig through post history to find something that has no bearing on the current situation" trick. Well done.

Panarin was an unknown, like this guy, but that's precisely where the similarities end. Different situations entirely, and you know that. But hey, anything to get in a shot, eh?

Really no comparison between a Pens team desperately lacking wingers taking a flier on a 20-something kid with skill versus a back-to-back Cup winner absolutely stocked full on wing with better options waiting in WBS taking a shot at a 36 year old winger that's only making the jump because he got banned for PEDs--but Geno likes him, so there's that.

You'd rather take your shot at a 36 year old unknown than go with one of the fastest players in the NHL that, a year and a half ago, was a huge part of this team's turn around? I realize Hagelin was hurt last year and had a pretty **** season, but c'mon dude. He's not Tanner Glass. Tough to really see a guy's best when his entire game is predicated on speed and his foot is ****ed up for 8 months.

-edit- Again, if we didn't have an insane surplus of wingers (still feels weird to say after a decade of the opposite) as well as two legit winger prospects waiting for their shot in WBS, go for it. But don't make a move to ship someone like Hagelin out just for ***** and giggles and the hope that you get one or two years of serviceable hockey out of a 36 year old unknown that's only trying to make his NHL debut because he was banned for PEDs. That's like the epitome of "It's been a long summer without hockey and I'm bored."

 

[The Old Master]

I just find it weird that this deal was leaked so far in advance. When does the pittsburgh media ever give scoops like this? All we ever get is that the team might have inquired about someone or is looking to make a move at a certain position. But somehow we might even know know what is being exchanged amongst the teams....strange.

yep! it all most makes me feel like its more a smoke screen.

 

[The Old Master]

and extra D. I think it would be nice to see:

vegas has 11 on one way deals....they can't keep them all...sadly the ones I would want would be the ones they are keeping....but if the right deal would come along....come on jr.
edit; sorry I reread your post. oh well it wont be the last time. ok we'll add a d-man or two in a trade

 

[Andy99]

yep! it all most makes me feel like its more a smoke screen.

It may just be because the Pens want to put pressure on DET to complete the deal. If you hadn't noticed, it's taking awhile, and if the deal is "on record," it will be harder for DET to back out

 

[Peat]

Pouliot and Kuhnhackl for Sheahan, solves both issues with the extra forwards and extra D. I think it would be nice to see:

Guentzel-Crosby-Sheary
Rust-Malkin-Kessel
Hagelin-Sheahan-Hornqvist
Wilson-McKegg-Reaves
Rowney-Archibald

Maatta-Letang
Dumoulin-Schultz
Cole-Hunwick
Ruhwedel

I would like to take this opportunity to say a lot of people seem to be putting Hagelin and Hornqvist together and I don't get it. This team has really benefited from maintaining a high threat level at all times and that's about the least skillful line we can put out from our top 9 forwards. I'd much rather see one of Sheary/Rust down there with Hagelin moving up the order.

What's there to like about Hagelin-x-Hornqvist?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Uh, well... um... they're both Swedish!

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would like to take this opportunity to say a lot of people seem to be putting Hagelin and Hornqvist together and I don't get it. This team has really benefited from maintaining a high threat level at all times and that's about the least skillful line we can put out from our top 9 forwards. I'd much rather see one of Sheary/Rust down there with Hagelin moving up the order.

What's there to like about Hagelin-x-Hornqvist?

It's the most likely combination to be made with the top-6 staying like it is.

 

[The Old Master]

What's there to like about Hagelin-x-Hornqvist?

horny can plant himself in front of the net and hags and x can fly around and get him the puck.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hornqvist is the greatest player (and human being) to ever suit up for the franchise, so he can pretty much do anything. I wouldn't worry about it much.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Ah, the old "dig through post history to find something that has no bearing on the current situation" trick. Well done.

Panarin was an unknown, like this guy, but that's precisely where the similarities end. Different situations entirely, and you know that. But hey, anything to get in a shot, eh?

I'm not trying to get in a shot. I phrased everything about as diplomatically as possible, I think, and I sure didn't know any more about Panarin than you did.

But the relevant parallel to the present situation was too good to pass up.

Really no comparison between a Pens team desperately lacking wingers taking a flier on a 20-something kid with skill versus a back-to-back Cup winner absolutely stocked full on wing with better options waiting in WBS taking a shot at a 36 year old winger that's only making the jump because he got banned for PEDs--but Geno likes him, so there's that.

The similarities that are there are what matter: a low risk/potentially high reward KHL winger being dismissed out of hand simply because he isn't an NHL property/household name. If Chicago had followed that line of reasoning, they'd have missed out on a rare talent making pennies on the dollar.

We're not so stacked on the wing that we couldn't use a skilled winger on Geno's LW, which is what Zaripov could be if things break right for him. If he fails, we waive him and lose very little of consequence, just like with Plotnikov.

You'd rather take your shot at a 36 year old unknown than go with one of the fastest players in the NHL that, a year and a half ago, was a huge part of this team's turn around? I realize Hagelin was hurt last year and had a pretty **** season, but c'mon dude. He's not Tanner Glass. Tough to really see a guy's best when his entire game is predicated on speed and his foot is ****ed up for 8 months.

It's not an either/or with Hagelin at this point. We'd only move Hags at the TDL if Zaripov clicked and we needed to open up some cap space.

I mean, moving Hags to open up cap space is an idea that's been banged around here all summer. I like the guy, but in terms of value-for-money, it's difficult to deny that he's the most expendable asset we have right now.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I would like to take this opportunity to say a lot of people seem to be putting Hagelin and Hornqvist together and I don't get it. This team has really benefited from maintaining a high threat level at all times and that's about the least skillful line we can put out from our top 9 forwards. I'd much rather see one of Sheary/Rust down there with Hagelin moving up the order.

What's there to like about Hagelin-x-Hornqvist?

Hagelin-Sheahan-Hornqvist has the makings of an offensive abomination.