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[Ogrezilla]

What about Perron for Big Buff Byfuglien?

Both UFA.

He's a kind of all worlds mix. Uses his size and hits like a truck, is very quick and Mobil for his size (6'5" 260) that can make up for a bit of his defensive liability. He has the size and girth to move people. It's his overall game that is really appealing.

Winnipeg certainly could use Perron.



Perron and Lovejoy

For Byfuglien

Thoughts.

I don't want to trade Perron, but if we got Buff for him I think I would be OK with it.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I think he's a third liner to start. I think a Plotnikov-Bonino-Bennett line has the potential to be good scoring line, if Bennett can score like he has been in the preseason. I don't think he could start in the top-6, especially on a line with Malkin-Hornqvist because that seems redundant.

so who do you expect on the 4th line, Dupuis or Perron? I expect it to be Bennett.

 

[Mike Lange Version 2]

I don't endorse trades where we trade away good players just to placate Kunitz/Dupuis, but that's not a bad trade.

Im with all of you here. I like Perron a lot, but Buff makes our defense (or winger situation) much better. Not sure I would, but i would be ok with this:

Olli-Letang
Dumo-Buff
Cole-Lovejoy

This is a pretty good defense!

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'd love to see the Pens acquire Buff but they'd have to offer a lot more than Perron and Lovejoy.

Depends on the market, and if he wants to stay in Winnipeg, but I don't disagree.

You have to have a buyer willing to give up what you need. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pens.

Perron may be a little underrated here, also.

Define a lot more.

Is it switching out Lovejoy with Pouliot? (I still do that)

or

Is it with both Lovejoy and Pouliot? (I'll have to be frank, I still do this as well)


Maatta, Letang
Cole, Byfuglien
Dumoulin, Gonchar


I don't expect everyone to share this feeling.

 

[Rufus]

so who do you expect on the 4th line, Dupuis or Perron? I expect it to be Bennett.

Well, if they are looking for four scoring lines, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dupuis on the fourth line. I think Beau's playing himself onto the third line right now.

 

[Rufus]

Depends on the market, and if he wants to stay in Winnipeg, but I don't disagree.

You have to have a buyer willing to give up what you need. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pens.

Perron may be a little underrated here, also.

Define a lot more.

Is it switching out Lovejoy with Pouliot? (I still do that)

or

Is it with both Lovejoy and Pouliot? (I'll have to be frank, I still do this as well)


Maatta, Letang
Cole, Byfuglien
Dumoulin, Gonchar


I don't expect everyone to share this feeling.

We're going to trade two of our defensemen, one of which was our top prospect last year, for an upcoming UFA who's going to be pricey? Pass

 

[drpepper]

Personally, I am not really interested in a Byfuglien rental. Over the past five year about 40% of Byfuglien's scoring is on the PP. He's good in transition & on offense but not great on defense. He doesn't want to play wing. Byfuglien also has a larger cap hit (5.2M vs 3.82M) & I am not interested in the Pens giving up additional assets (picks) for WPG to retain. [Missed the Lovejoy bit. It's bad asset management. That is essentially Depsres, 1st, Klinkhammer for Byfuglien which is bad. I don't really know if the upgrade on Lovejoy covers the downgrade on forwards. If it's Perron + Pouliot that's extreme overpayment for a rental. If it's Perron + Pouliot + Lovejoy that is beyond overpayment.]

If the Pens are trading Perron, I'd rather see a longer term asset back if at all possible or at the very least a better defenseman.

Does WPG want Perron for Byfuglien?

 

[Fordy]

beau's play does not affect his position in the lineup, if dupuis is on the 4th line it's because they actually paid more than lip service to starting him slowly

 

[Empoleon8771]

If we're trading Perron, I want to get a natural defenseman back, not a forward who can play defense. If we're talking purely hypothetically, I'd try and get Ellis or Ekholm from Nashville for Perron.

 

[drpepper]

If we're trading Perron, I want to get a natural defenseman back, not a forward who can play defense. If we're talking purely hypothetically, I'd try and get Ellis or Ekholm from Nashville for Perron.

Why would NSH do that for a pending UFA?

 

[SEALBound]

so who do you expect on the 4th line, Dupuis or Perron? I expect it to be Bennett.

With that, the most logical lineup is:

Kunitz(ugh)-Crosby-Kessel
Perron-Malkin-Hornqvist
Plonikov-Bonino-Bennett
Sundy/WBS-Cullen-Dupuis

If it's Sundy-Cullen-Dupuis, that's not a 4th line. That's a 3B defensive line. That's more than fine. That's not "banishing" Dupuis to the 4th line at all. With that, they may elect to take it slow with him anyway and keep his minutes limited. We complain about Dupuis being the pet in the Top 6 but in reality, after the medical issues he has had, they will be ensuring his safety. I HIGHLY doubt he sniffs the Top 6.

ETA: With that line up, all Top 9 LW's are interchangeable. If it's Perron-Bonino-Bennett, who gives a ****? That's a hell of a 3rd line!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why would NSH do that for a pending UFA?

Because they're allowed to sign him to an extension? They have a ton of cap space, they wouldn't have a problem signing him. If it's really that big of an issue, I don't see why a sign and trade thing couldn't happen.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I don't want Byfuglien, like at all. If Perron is getting traded because he sucks on the RW (gee, I wonder why Mike?) then I want them to get their hands on Boedker and go after a defenseman who is good defensively. I don't want a Bylfuglien on this defense and they can't be going terribly backwards with the top 6 wingers, Byfuglien will most likely be way too expensive. I also always want to call him "Bye/By, fug alien"

Stupid Pens. So help me god if Kunitz, Scuderi and Dupuis are still here while players like Perron and Bennett get traded.

 

[drpepper]

Because they're allowed to sign him to an extension? They have a ton of cap space, they wouldn't have a problem signing him. If it's really that big of an issue, I don't see why a sign and trade thing couldn't happen.

Value-wise it doesn't make sense for NSH. In addition, they will have other RFA contracts to sign - Forsberg, Ekholm & Jones.

Fit-wise, why do they need Perron? They have Neal, Forsberg, Wilson & Smith.

When was the last time a sign and trade happened?

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

I don't think a deal can be done. Perron isn't attractive enough as a starting piece for Byfuglien at all. We'd be adding, and we can't afford to. Plus they would surely want some kind of defensive asset in return if they're going to blow up what is a pretty good and tough D corps they have right now. I think Pouliot would be too much and Dumoulin wouldn't be enough. What else is there? Plus the obvious problem of the cap.

Buff would be great on the 2nd pair, on the PP as opposed to Letang, and we'd be seriously gunning for a Cup, but I just don't see how a deal would work.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Personally, I am not really interested in a Byfuglien rental. Over the past five year about 40% of Byfuglien's scoring is on the PP. He's good in transition & on offense but not great on defense. He doesn't want to play wing. Byfuglien also has a larger cap hit (5.2M vs 3.82M) & I am not interested in the Pens giving up additional assets (picks) for WPG to retain. [Missed the Lovejoy bit. It's bad asset management. That is essentially Depsres, 1st, Klinkhammer for Byfuglien which is bad. I don't really know if the upgrade on Lovejoy covers the downgrade on forwards. If it's Perron + Pouliot that's extreme overpayment for a rental. If it's Perron + Pouliot + Lovejoy that is beyond overpayment.]

If the Pens are trading Perron, I'd rather see a longer term asset back if at all possible or at the very least a better defenseman.

Does WPG want Perron for Byfuglien?

Who knows. We are not the GM's.

I'm sure both teams lock up the player they traded for or wouldn't do the deal. This is a common task unless it's a TDL deal. That is not what I'm proposing.

So rule out the rental.

Now for a top 4 D-man with his offensive abilities and he isn't shy about using his size, that is not even the starting line for one still under contract with term left.

Good for us parts are UFA with the addition of that being, Pouliot.

That's a fair deal.

 

[Shady Machine]

Depends on the market, and if he wants to stay in Winnipeg, but I don't disagree.

You have to have a buyer willing to give up what you need. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pens.

Perron may be a little underrated here, also.

Define a lot more.

Is it switching out Lovejoy with Pouliot? (I still do that)

or

Is it with both Lovejoy and Pouliot? (I'll have to be frank, I still do this as well)


Maatta, Letang
Cole, Byfuglien
Dumoulin, Gonchar


I don't expect everyone to share this feeling.

What will you do when Buff wants over 6MM a year?

 

[Greeneye]

Depends on the market, and if he wants to stay in Winnipeg, but I don't disagree.

You have to have a buyer willing to give up what you need. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pens.

Perron may be a little underrated here, also.

Define a lot more.

Is it switching out Lovejoy with Pouliot? (I still do that)

or

Is it with both Lovejoy and Pouliot? (I'll have to be frank, I still do this as well)


Maatta, Letang
Cole, Byfuglien
Dumoulin, Gonchar


I don't expect everyone to share this feeling.

I look at Lovejoy as a net negative trade wise. I'd guess it would take Perron and Pouliot. Not sure I'd give up on Pouliot yet but I do really like Buff's game. I actually like Perron as well but if he is going to play RW then what is the point of having him here? Moving forward I think Buff is going to be too costly (cap wise and trade value wise) to really consider it. If Perron is dealt I hope its for a RH D though.

 

[Ugene Magic]

What will you do when Buff wants over 6MM a year?

Sign him. He is 30, and the max I'd do is 6.0/6.5.

The cap has been allocated for those asking just with the subtraction of Perron and Lovejoy, and there are contracts up as soon as the end of next season. Even with needing to re-sign Maatta and others room will be there for it.

You wanted the youth and there will be in the forward and defensive positions.

The cap is not my concern at all.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

If we're moving our best, most skilled, long-term solution at LW for a d-man, he'd better not be Byfuglien.

As much as we need defensemen--and we ****ing do, don't get me wrong--we are in dire need of LWers as well.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Value-wise it doesn't make sense for NSH. In addition, they will have other RFA contracts to sign - Forsberg, Ekholm & Jones.

Fit-wise, why do they need Perron? They have Neal, Forsberg, Wilson & Smith.

When was the last time a sign and trade happened?

I forgot about Craig Smith, I thought they had a hole in their top-6 but I guess not. Never mind on that one then.

If the Pens would decide to move Perron, I'm not sure how much of a market there would be for him based on what we'd want back for him. Due to him being a pending UFA, bad teams wouldn't be interested and a lot of good teams have their top-6 groups sorted out already. Montreal is the glaring one that could use him, but they wouldn't trade Petry for him after signing him to that extension and I'd sure as hell hope we wouldn't trade Perron for a 36 year old Markov. As a matter of fact, I honestly thing Montreal may be the only team that would be heavily interested in him if he were made available, maybe Calgary based on how the negotiations with Hudler go. Just more of a reason to keep him.

 

[drpepper]

Sign him. He is 30, and the max I'd do is 6.0/6.5.

The cap has been allocated for those asking just with the subtraction of Perron and Lovejoy, and there are contracts up as soon as the end of next season. Even with needing to re-sign Maatta and others room will be there for it.

You wanted the youth and there will be in the forward and defensive positions.

The cap is not my concern at all.

So you want to move Pouliot + Perron (and maybe Lovejoy) for Buff.

That trade is terrible value-wise and asset-wise for the Pens.

Then you want to sign Buff to term at 6-6.5M.

Lovejoy's contract if he is involved doesn't matter. The Pens were already going to struggle to sign Maatta & Perron. Buff is going to ask for more than Perron. Lovejoy (1.1) + Pouliot (0.9) + Perron (3.8) + cap rising (2) = covers Buff @ 6.5M + 1.3M for Maatta. Pens need additional space for Maatta and Perron's replacement. The cap does matter & is an issue.

Your contract also doesn't include term. How long is Buff's new contract?

Also, what youth is on the blueline? 2016-17 Buff will be 31, Letang 29, Cole 27, Dumoulin 25, Scuderi 37. Maatta & maybe Clendening?

In short, I am glad you are not the GM.

 

[Ugene Magic]

If we're moving our best, most skilled, long-term solution at LW for a d-man, he'd better not be Byfuglien.

As much as we need defensemen--and we ****ing do, don't get me wrong--we are in dire need of LWers as well.

Could be. Remember he is UFA. He is also being paraded around as a 3rd line RW.

Not that we know how he feels, but unless I have assurance I'm in the top six by way of a contract, he could be gone.

We also haven't seen the final roster so this is all scrabble on a message board and most certainly moot.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The logical solution is for the Pens to sign Perron to a Frolik-like contract (mid to long term for ~$4.25 million per) and play him in the top-6 as a LW. But everyone knows this team doesn't run on logic, so we really don't know what to expect. If it's trading Perron for a D or playing Perron on the 3rd line as a RW, I think trading him for a D would help us more, especially with how good Sprong has looked. If Perron is going to be used as a RW, there is no reason to re-sign him with Sprong being as close as he is.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I really like Perron, but if we are to trade him it better not be for another Ben Lovejoy!

JR better be aiming higher, something like a #3 defenseman, if he has too, extend Perron and trade him.