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Sabres -- the Enigma

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Djp said:
From existence till 2011/12 season they had been a very good team. I think top 5 or top7 in league but had not won a cup. Its just been this playoff drought.

Buffalo wins a cup before toronto does

as I mentioned in som ef of their oddities this year....

Their poor PP and falling short with 1 goal deficits in the 3rd at over 75% of their L and OT/SH L games tells me confidence us a dangerous thing.

They font need much changes pi r additions and young players playing better

They need

1. a RD who shoots right who can play mid pair

2. A 2nd line center who is good defensively and can do well in faceoffs


Neither of these players ste at the end if their career

Some sabres fans want to blow the young prospect & players on bottom 6/ bottom pair players or players at the end of their careers who might be better than the young player now but not so in 2-3 years just so they end the playoff drought. Some of the sane people go back and complain on the trades tim Murray made in 2014/2015 where he traded prospects and picks for more established players

A big debate is how much control/ oversight is Pegula having on the Sabres vs what appears as hands off with the Bills
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I dont doubt that Terry initially said spend to the cap when took over but saw how badly that failed with Ville Leino type deals. But the only way you get rid of Terry is if he sells and the team relocates. No one is buying it and investing in Buffalo more.

If you really believe this team is 2 second line players away from contention, then youre lumped into the delusional Sabres fan category. You're last in the East and currently 29th in the league. Blow it up.
 
Phonetically missed the "G" the first time I saw this -- and while a *ahem* fleeting thought *ahem* I had to re-read it to make sure what I was seeing.

The owner has proven incapable of hiring competent management for his team. That's it. That's the full story.
 
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Ratsreign said:
He needs to do this and then get the hell out of the way.
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He hasn't yet shown that he can without a good deal of luck (at least from how he's hired for both the Sabres and Bills). The Bills management team is the blind acorn for them. I don't see that happening on the hockey side so here we are, wondering how long this goes on.
 
Ratsreign said:
How can you say this?
Buy that team and turn it around and it’d be like having a printing press for $100 bills.
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With NHL expansion interest rapidly increasing to Houston, Kansas City, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc etc etc why in the world would any owner sans a Buffalo billionaire magically showing up, keep the team there? Hamilton is the best chance they have.

Buffalo is constantly at the top of players no trade lists and obviously they cannot draw any free agents outside of overpaying the c list guys.

The same team would print $1000 bills in any other city assuming good and you wouldnt have the disadvantages of taxes and weather.
 
Ratsreign said:
How can you say this?
Buy that team and turn it around and it’d be like having a printing press for $100 bills.
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Probably true. With the current state of the league, a place like Buffalo could be a great market with proper management.
 
DFC said:
Probably true. With the current state of the league, a place like Buffalo could be a great market with proper management.
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Not true at all. Its also proven to be a poor market in general. Look at the Bills stadium. It defaulted back to OP because the city of Buffalo doesnt not have the amenities (Hotels, restaurants) to host a Super Bowl. Same can be said on a smaller scale for an NHL all-star game or 4 nations or world cup or whatever. You take the franchise to Houston and it blows up quickly with much more options.

You guys are looking at this in terms of finding 18k hockey fans to come nightly between Buffalo and Toronto. Its much bigger than that for billionaires.
 
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Buffalo should be a cautionary tale about scorched earth rebuilds, especially in small markets

Seems like the culture there (maybe starting with ownership) is toxic
 
benfranklin said:
With NHL expansion interest rapidly increasing to Houston, Kansas City, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc etc etc why in the world would any owner sans a Buffalo billionaire magically showing up, keep the team there? Hamilton is the best chance they have.

Buffalo is constantly at the top of players no trade lists and obviously they cannot draw any free agents outside of overpaying the c list guys.

The same team would print $1000 bills in any other city assuming good and you wouldnt have the disadvantages of taxes and weather.
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If you put a team this bad for this long in those or almost any city they'd be drawing smaller crowds than the Danville Dashers. The fact that more than 5k show up for games is stunning.
 
sabremike said:
If you put a team this bad for this long in those or almost any city they'd be drawing smaller crowds than the Danville Dashers. The fact that more than 5k show up for games is stunning.
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Crowd sizes is purely pricing. After the Thompson/Cozens/Skinner crazy point season, they jacked up prices thinking they were finally on their way. Obviously, you cant go backwards pricing wise especially with inflation.

Lwoer corners for garbage games have no business being this high. This is management having no idea how to price their product.

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benfranklin said:
With NHL expansion interest rapidly increasing to Houston, Kansas City, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc etc etc why in the world would any owner sans a Buffalo billionaire magically showing up, keep the team there? Hamilton is the best chance they have.

Buffalo is constantly at the top of players no trade lists and obviously they cannot draw any free agents outside of overpaying the c list guys.

The same team would print $1000 bills in any other city assuming good and you wouldnt have the disadvantages of taxes and weather.
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The expansion fee for the next round is going to approach one billion dollars.
 
Warden of the North said:
They have terrible management.

What exactly is the enigma here?
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This ^^^
They don’t know the difference between collecting good young players and building a winning team”team”. They have two top pair left shot D. So they trade for Byram? They need to balance their roster by trading from one of the positions of strength (Power or Dahlin) to fill in areas of need.
 
benfranklin said:
Lol just last week Sabres fans ripping me adament about being buyers at this deadline and offseason and how they need NHL ready players for this team.

How is a fanbase that oblivious to the fast they're headed towards a firesale rebuild AGAIN and not contention anytime soon?
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How'd I know a comment of yours would pop up in a Sabres thread.

Obsessed
 
Filthy Dangles said:
Their arena sucks, the lease is up in a couple years. People aren't going to games and interest and viewership in the team has seriously dwindled. And there's just a loser stench on the franchise.

Unless they really flip a switch and become a winning team I don't think it's unrealistic that they move out of Buffalo in the next few years.
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google bro:
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While the Sabres' current lease at KeyBank Center runs through October 2027, and the arena is owned by Erie County, the team's ownership (Pegula Sports and Entertainment) is actively investing in upgrades and renovations, suggesting a commitment to Buffalo and making it unlikely the Sabres will relocate in the near future.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Lease Agreement:
    The current lease agreement between the Sabres and Erie County, which owns KeyBank Center, runs through October 2027.

  • Ownership and Investment:
    The Sabres are owned by Terry Pegula, who also owns the Buffalo Bills, and Pegula Sports and Entertainment oversees both teams. Pegula has secured funding for a new Bills stadium and is also investing in upgrades and renovations at KeyBank Center.

  • Renovations:
    Pegula Sports and Entertainment is planning functional improvements to KeyBank Center, including a new video board, sound system, and seat replacements. They are also exploring aspirational improvements like enclosing the arena's outdoor plaza.

  • Commitment to Buffalo:
    Given the significant investment in both the Bills and Sabres arenas, and the fact that the Sabres are not in a situation where they are forced to relocate due to lack of facilities, it's unlikely the team will relocate in the near future.

  • NHL Expansion vs. Relocation:
    The NHL would likely prefer to expand to new markets rather than relocate existing teams, as expansion generates more revenue.

  • Public Funding:
    The Sabres recently received significant public funding for the KeyBank Center, which further suggests a commitment to Buffalo. "

    I don't why people make shit up, just to stir up Sabres fans? Bro we're last in the conference. We're not a rival. We're not a threat. I enjoy your posts though. But to just say they may get relocated with no evidence to back it up is pretty dirty and panics an entire fanbase.
 
Washed Up 29YearOld said:
google bro:
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While the Sabres' current lease at KeyBank Center runs through October 2027, and the arena is owned by Erie County, the team's ownership (Pegula Sports and Entertainment) is actively investing in upgrades and renovations, suggesting a commitment to Buffalo and making it unlikely the Sabres will relocate in the near future.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Lease Agreement:
    The current lease agreement between the Sabres and Erie County, which owns KeyBank Center, runs through October 2027.

  • Ownership and Investment:
    The Sabres are owned by Terry Pegula, who also owns the Buffalo Bills, and Pegula Sports and Entertainment oversees both teams. Pegula has secured funding for a new Bills stadium and is also investing in upgrades and renovations at KeyBank Center.

  • Renovations:
    Pegula Sports and Entertainment is planning functional improvements to KeyBank Center, including a new video board, sound system, and seat replacements. They are also exploring aspirational improvements like enclosing the arena's outdoor plaza.

  • Commitment to Buffalo:
    Given the significant investment in both the Bills and Sabres arenas, and the fact that the Sabres are not in a situation where they are forced to relocate due to lack of facilities, it's unlikely the team will relocate in the near future.

  • NHL Expansion vs. Relocation:
    The NHL would likely prefer to expand to new markets rather than relocate existing teams, as expansion generates more revenue.

  • Public Funding:
    The Sabres recently received significant public funding for the KeyBank Center, which further suggests a commitment to Buffalo. "

    I don't why people make shit up, just to stir up Sabres fans? Bro we're last in the conference. We're not a rival. We're not a threat. I enjoy your posts though. But to just say they may get relocated with no evidence to back it up is pretty dirty and panics an entire fanbase.
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The consensus theory starts with crying about Terry. "Get rid of Terry" type posts. So obivously common sense goes to "ok what if he sells the team?" It is more likely a potential buyer will come and want to move to Houston/KC/Atlanta/New Orleans than finding a buyer who wants to stay in Buffalo.

Its not about "proof", but common sense rational thinking of where this would go if he sold the team. Could a buyer be persuaded to stay in Buffalo? of course, but it is more likely they'd move to a bigger market if they could. Business 101 here.
 
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