I totally get not wanting to give up that price. But for me, personally, Saros' game and how he plays coupled with the chances we let up I think is the ideal fit for us and is one of the few I'd be willing to bleed in a trade for.
I partly agree, but not at this cost. I think even Ostlund/Rosen + #13 would be a very worthy offer, goaltenders don't usually get even that much, but I don't want to trade our two best attacking prospects.
If Adams is serious about adding a difference making #1 goalie this off season, then he is likely going to have to move something that he does not want to move.
What do you mean attacking prospects? Surely Savoie and Kulich would out rank those two offensively.
I meant our best prospects. I do not trade Savoie/Kulich + #13 for goalie.
Goalies do not cost that much, especially those who are 1-2 years old from the UFA. You can just look at the history trades and there is nothing like this value, although there were trades of Andersen, Schneider and Raanta + Stepan.
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Goalies like Saros rarely get dealt because they cost so much.
'You could ask for Owen Power, but you'd likely hear a dial tone soon after'Connor Hellebuyck is Jets' biggest bargaining chip as NHL Draft looms
It's rare that a Vezina winner with a perennial stake in the best-goalie category comes available and for good reason.
The Winnipeg media have high hopes for a trade return for Hellebuyck.
Helle is also an elite goalie and I think he will cost less. I gave an example that goalies usually don't cost that much if they don't want to trade Saros, that's another matter, there's no point in even trying, it would be very expensive.
Classic homer article. I would offer 2nd UPL and Rosen. If they say no then good day.
Connor Hellebuyck is Jets' biggest bargaining chip as NHL Draft looms
It's rare that a Vezina winner with a perennial stake in the best-goalie category comes available and for good reason.
The Winnipeg media have high hopes for a trade return for Hellebuyck.
Goalies like Saros rarely get dealt because they cost so much.
Saros is not going to move cheaply, like say MAF, because Nashville is not in cap jail.
Saros is not just a "good goalie" though. He is an elite Vezina-caliber #1 goalie. Those types do not move cheaply.
Hellebuyck is also under contract for only one season versus two for Saros.
It will all depend on how many teams they get in the bidding for him. If they can get NJ, LAK, and Buffalo all interested in a deal, the price is going to go up.
I think it will be different, that's the point. Again, look at the trades goalies and what they returned, and there were also very good goalies, with good stats. Chad said that the price of Helle would not be astronomical.
Show me a trade for a goalie who was traded before they turned 35 with a Vezina trophy and 2 or 3 top 5 Vezina voting finishes.
If one year for Helle costs too much, then I'll just move on to the next target. Just not sure if he's going to return a ton because term. It is clear that such goaliess are not often traded, but the same Andersen was a very solid goalie and return late 1st and 2nd. I just don't want to overpay. We almost made the playoffs with 41 year old Anderson and he had average stats, so there are different goaltenders who will fit us and help us get into the playoffs.Show me a trade for a goalie who was traded before they turned 35 with a Vezina trophy and 2 or 3 top 5 Vezina voting finishes.
The last under 35yo goalie with a Vezina to get traded was when the Sabres traded Ryan Miller to St Louis at the trade deadline.
So, comparing Hellebuyck for lesser goalies is not likely to get you what he would cost in a trade.
You mean the hypothetical underpinned by the misguided belief Pegula imposed a spending limit below the lower limit? Which leads to the debate over cap-hits for the “overpaid” depth vets vs the mid roster ones we could have acquired at “value”, because of course we could. Which leads to the debate about what Joker would get paid in a role he never played or likely would have.
15mins atoi at 5v5 is pretty normal for a bottom pairing dman. Why would you think it means he’s top 4?
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Connor Hellebuyck is Jets' biggest bargaining chip as NHL Draft looms
It's rare that a Vezina winner with a perennial stake in the best-goalie category comes available and for good reason.
Take out Savoie and maybe. But UPL, the 13th, Krebs and Savoie for one year of a goalie. That's just a joke. Ryan Miller did not get that much. Writer is dreaming. The 13th overall and UPL might be enough for Connor. At least the guy is smart enough to understand Power is not going anywhere.
Do we get to add an average goalie in this plan too?
Absolutely, even Anderson, with our defense, system and injuries, didn't look terrible last season.
You can’t bring up that two of the four goalies (a senior citizen and a player with no pro experience) looked perfectly fine behind the same team the other 2 were awful behind. Hurts people’s narratives.
