Sabres Management and Coaching Thread

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Came here to chime in that I hope Lindy comes back to Buffalo and sure enough someone mentions it. I'm not saying I know how to run a hockey team better than your management does but I felt he never should have been let go of in the first place. The decision to do so was logical given the changing direction of the Sabres franchise at that time. They did no different than anyone else would have in the same situation. But I've always felt sometimes in life there comes along a guy you just don't get rid of.

Lindy was/is one of those guys. Oh sure he would've lost a lot of games over the last few years but that bares no reflection of the kind of coach that he is.

Good luck to you guys going forward. If Jack Eichel stays this ornery for much longer change is bound to happen.

 

[Man of Principles]

They got so close to a cup a couple times, and extenuating circumstances took it away from them. Lindy can lead them to a cup.

 

[cybresabre]

Seems like the games must all be fixed to appease third period television advertisers

 

[OkimLom]

Anything to throw out Bylsma's poor system...

Comeback win easily

 

[Team Cozens]

Marc Crawford has done a great job with the Sens defence. Any interest as our HC. TM likes to poach from the Sens.

 

[Zip15]

Me too.

I kind of want him back now. He might get fired in Dallas just because Nill stuck with two overpaid horrible goalies.

The guy could adapt. Remember how fast we were out of the lockout? That could be us again.

There are a lot of reasons Lindy is getting fired in Dallas that are unrelated to the goaltending. Sabres fans need to move on, it's been several years now.

 

[Sabre Dance]

There are a lot of reasons Lindy is getting fired in Dallas that are unrelated to the goaltending. Sabres fans need to move on, it's been several years now.

Why move on? Fired coaches win cups. If I could pick a fired coach I want to see lift the cup in Buffalo its Lindy.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I don't understand Harrington's point. So, Crosby - arguably the best player in the game right now - didn't like Dan's system and wanted him gone - and that's OK. But then Jack can't think the same thing? I mean, maybe if he was talking about a different situation with Crosby, like he did with LeBron, but it's the SAME guy. If he wasn't good and Crosby could see that, then it goes to show Jack and others would see the same thing as well.

I mean, is he arguing keeping Blysma just to spite the players?

To top it off Harrington criticizes Bylsma for asking the players to do things they cant. How stubborn can you be. Basically he is saying Bylsma isnt doing a good job, but since the players dont deserve to get their way they are stuck with him.

 

[Gabrielor]

The comeback, and I only choose that because of the following:

When we're down, the defense activate way more into the play, and the forecheck is way more aggressive. I don't know if its Bylsma or the players, but we're way more fun to watch when this is happening.

 

[Sabre Dance]

29th win % in the NHL when leading after 1st period. 12th when trailing after 1st period.

 

[Sabre Dance]

The comeback, and I only choose that because of the following:

When we're down, the defense activate way more into the play, and the forecheck is way more aggressive. I don't know if its Bylsma or the players, but we're way more fun to watch when this is happening.

Teams play you differently with a lead also so it allows Bylsma to be more agressive. Bylsma is scared to death of the defense Murray put together.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Teams play you differently with a lead also so it allows Bylsma to be more agressive. Bylsma is scared to death of the defense Murray put together.

He had a much deeper blue line to work with in Pittsburgh and didn't have that team playing any differently. What he's doing here is his MO -- the player personnel have nothing to do with it.

 

[Sabre Dance]

He had a much deeper blue line to work with in Pittsburgh and didn't have that team playing any differently. What he's doing here is his MO -- the player personnel have nothing to do with it.

It worked in Pittsburgh. Player personnel has everything to do with it. It doesn't work here because the players aren't as good. Pretty simple.

 

[Sabre Dance]

If you look at our Corsi ranking up 2 goals and down 2 goals we really aren't that much better down 2 goals.

Up 2 we rank 30th, no shocker there. Down 2 we are still bad, 26th.

So I'm not really sure we are good team down 2, maybe we are just getting puck luck this year when down. We are 9th in GF60 when down 2 this year, last year we were 22nd.

Last year we were 18th Corsi % when up 2. So we got worse with the lead this year.

 

[tsujimoto74]

It worked in Pittsburgh. Player personnel has everything to do with it. It doesn't work here because the players aren't as good. Pretty simple.

Moving goalposts. Your last comment implied that Bylsma coaches our team less aggressively than he did the Penguins because he's scared of the defense, not that the system was the same (which it is) and the Pens just had more success with it.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Moving goalposts. Your last comment implied that Bylsma coaches our team less aggressively than he did the Penguins because he's scared of the defense, not that the system was the same (which it is) and the Pens just had more success with it.

I know that doesn't support my point, or the point that Bylsma is costing us wins. The talent is costing us wins.

I dont post to be right, I post for conversation. No one that says Bylsma is the reason we lose makes any sense. So he does the same things that got him fired in Pittsburgh? Were they the same things that made him win the most games in the NHL and a cup?

 

[Djp]

He had a much deeper blue line to work with in Pittsburgh and didn't have that team playing any differently. What he's doing here is his MO -- the player personnel have nothing to do with it.

Pittsburgh had a little better Dman than Buffalo at the bottom where Buffalo has injured Kulikov, Gorges, and Franson vs what pittsburgh had.

They also have a few more years experience in Crosby and Malkin. they were drafted on 04 and 05 and won in 2009.

 

[Myllz]

I know that doesn't support my point, or the point that Bylsma is costing us wins. The talent is costing us wins.

I dont post to be right, I post for conversation. No one that says Bylsma is the reason we lose makes any sense. So he does the same things that got him fired in Pittsburgh? Were they the same things that made him win the most games in the NHL and a cup?

You're essentially saying coaching is irrelevant and talent is the only thing that matters.

 

[Sabre Dance]

You're essentially saying coaching is irrelevant and talent is the only thing that matters.

In the regular season yes.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Pittsburgh had a little better Dman than Buffalo at the bottom where Buffalo has injured Kulikov, Gorges, and Franson vs what pittsburgh had.

They also have a few more years experience in Crosby and Malkin. they were drafted on 04 and 05 and won in 2009.

That falls under talent though, doesn't it? If Bylsma stay here for 3 more years while Eichel, Risto, Reinhart and the rest of the team grows together they will be a top team in the East, even with Bylsma. I would put money on that.

I think it might take 3 years because the defense is such a mess, I dont think Murray can fix his mistakes in a year or 2.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It worked in Pittsburgh. Player personnel has everything to do with it. It doesn't work here because the players aren't as good. Pretty simple.

So the caching scheme doesn't fit the group of players. Glad you are on the same page

 

[Sabre Dance]

So the caching scheme doesn't fit the group of players. Glad you are on the same page

We don't know if any scheme fits this group of players. We know with a talented roster Bylsma can win the most games in the NHL consistently.

 

[Dirty Dog]

We know with a talented roster Bylsma can win the most games in the NHL consistently.

Well, not in the playoffs (his career win percentage is significantly lower than his regular season record). The only time where coaching matters apparently?

EDIT: thought I was in the management thread with all the GMTM sucks talk. Moving on

 

[Sabre Dance]

Well, not in the playoffs (his career win percentage is significantly lower than his regular season record). The only time where coaching matters apparently?

EDIT: thought I was in the management thread with all the GMTM sucks talk. Moving on

Its all the same conversation. This thread is about Bylsma stinks as a coach. I try to put the focus where it should be, Tim Murray. Some people are afraid to criticize him. Want to believe Murray has nothing to do with Bylsma and Murray is being forced to keep Bylsma and his terrible system. Poor Murray.

 

[Dreakon13]

Its all the same conversation. This thread is about Bylsma stinks as a coach. I try to put the focus where it should be, Tim Murray. Some people are afraid to criticize him. Want to believe Murray has nothing to do with Bylsma and Murray is being forced to keep Bylsma and his terrible system. Poor Murray.

While it certainly could be spun that way, nothing in the OP actually says anything about Bylsma or his coaching. Just as it could be spun to blame the players, or Murray.

The thread is really just about the question of, which situation are you more confident in the team. Which was apparently more one sided than I realized (granted I posted it on the night where they staged a pretty nifty comeback ).