Friedman: Sabres gauging the market on Bowen Byram

[5 Minute Major]

I think the assumption is Byram with good coaching and not behind Makar/Dahlin would be a 60 point #1 d-man.

If that was the case he’d be traded by now.

 

[Satanphonehome]

If that was the case he’d be traded by now.

Because a ton of teams have the cap space, the assets the Sabres want, the willingness to part with those assets and the ability to get Byram to sign long-term?

Trades are almost always more about fit and timing than anything else.

Very interested in seeing if the Sabres elect to take him to arbitration today.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Byram's value is actually being propped up because Buffalo is incompetent with their players.

Teams see Reinhart, Eichel, Risto, etc all leave and be better elsewhere.

I think the assumption is Byram with good coaching and not behind Makar/Dahlin would be a 60 point #1 d-man.

And they are probably right

 

[Dietpepsi]

And they are probably right

uhh Risto? lol
probably could take that name out of it and have a valid point.

 

[Djp]

If the Sabres accepted futures he would have been traded by now with likely return of a protected 1st in 26, a 1st/2nd, and an ELC/prospect and possibly a cap dump

The Sabres want back some NHL players that will actually help the club in 25/26. Sure included in thr deal could br future picks or not yet ready ELCs

Player(s) for player(s) don't usually happen at this time of year. The ones you see are usually ELC for ELC post draft where teams want to fill a hole or balance their pool or teams needing to be cap compliant trading expensive for cheap

 

[DJN21]

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The Flames could offer Mackenzie Weegar for Byram and some Sabre fans would complain that it's not enough and they want more because Weegar is too old, makes too many mistakes, and gets paid too much for too long.

Any sane Sabre fan aka 90% would take that and run away laughing, probably at how shallow your response here is.

 

[RedHawkDown]

What would a Detroit return look like?

 

[Petes2424]

Not filing for arbitration is very telling with Byram. Means his agents are close enough to a deal, they know what type of money he’s going to be getting this summer, and are comfortable with the destinations. Whether that’s in Buffalo, or likely somewhere else.

Think after the Byram thing unfolds in Buffalo, we’re going to see some other movement (on the blue line) around the league.

 

[Beerz]

What would a Detroit return look like?

I don't see anything that intrigues me that is realistic.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I don't see anything that intrigues me that is realistic.

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

 

[Beerz]

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

I have no interest in futures deals. I would rather sign Byram if that is the case and have the possibility of a true top 4 for once.

Kasper would be a maybe but I am trying to think where he would fit. Do we move McLeod to 2nd line center? I don't think that is a good idea.

Who knows with Adams if his dumbass decided to go futures it would probably be something around ASP. I'm not a fan of that route however.

 

[Mattilaus]

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

This is why Detroit doesn't work. Sabres don't want futures.

 

[Ransome]

Do we move McLeod to 2nd line center? I don't think that is a good idea.

Well, maybe that's not the worst idea, he even looked decent there. Although they played Kulich in the top 6 and it will probably be Norris if he stays healthy. Kasper would be a target for sure.

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

No one comes to mind except Kasper, it's hard to find a deal.

 

[Beerz]

Well, maybe that's not the worst idea, he even looked decent there. Although they played Kulich in the top 6 and it will probably be Norris if he stays healthy. Kasper would be a target for sure.

No one comes to mind except Kasper, it's hard to find a deal.

Well I don't like McLeod, Kulich or Kasper as a 2nd line Center and I despise Norris as a 1st line Center.

But here we are.

 

[Ransome]

Well I don't like McLeod, Kulich or Kasper as a 2nd line Center and I despise Norris as a 1st line Center.

But here we are.

Well, right now we have Kulich and Norris as our top 6 C, for me at least the more options the better, maybe one of them will break out if Adams can't get a legit top 6 C. Tage will probably play wing, Norris will obviously be the top 6 C. The competition between McLeod, Kulich and Kasper for the second position doesn't look so bad to me.

Or maybe Krebsy?

 

[Satanphonehome]

Opinions are never going to be unanimous on any player.

And I agree your resume is more than one season.

But if any pro scout who watched every game each of them played in Buffalo last year said Cozens was the better player, that guy is in the wrong business.

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Opinions are never going to be unanimous on any player.

And I agree your resume is more than one season.

But if any pro scout who watched every game each of them played in Buffalo last year said Cozens was the better player, that guy is in the wrong business.

For sure I never meant to imply cozens is the better player. Just that I don't tihnk Detroit is interested in trading Kasper for anything other than a true superstar player which would never happen anyways. The FO is very high on his player profile type and I think they're hoping for a prime Kesler type of player out of him which doesn't seem out of reach given how he finished last season.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Because a ton of teams have the cap space, the assets the Sabres want, the willingness to part with those assets and the ability to get Byram to sign long-term?

Trades are almost always more about fit and timing than anything else.

Very interested in seeing if the Sabres elect to take him to arbitration today.

If Byram is truly a #1 d-man you bet your ass a team would offer up something worthwhile.

 

[Satanphonehome]

If Byram is truly a #1 d-man you bet your ass a team would offer up something worthwhile.

And if Byram was truly a #1 d-man Buffalo might still refuse.
If your point is "he's no Dahlin", nobody is arguing that he is.

I think the problem isn't value, it's fit.

I suspect plenty of teams would make a fair value offer in terms of futures, if that's what Buffalo is shopping for.

It's about finding a team willing and able to give up something that will help the Sabres right now. Those are harder trades to make.

 

[Djp]

Would something around Johansson/Danielson/1st be interesting? Not sure what would intrigue you. Kasper is someone I know they said no to for Cozens, so I doubt he'd be available for Byram. I'd be willing to deal any of our prospects TBH. If ASP, then I'd remove the 1st.

Buffalo is not trading him for picks snd prospects now.

If they were, the trade would have occured a week or more ago.

They want sf least one nhl player in return

Their primary ask would br Kasper

 

[MOGlLNY]

Buffalo is not trading him for picks snd prospects now.

If they were, the trade would have occured a week or more ago.

They want sf least one nhl player in return

Their primary ask would br Kasper

Stop. You know that is never going to happen what’s the point of even going down this road

 

[Djp]

Stop. You know that is never going to happen what’s the point of even going down this road

I'm just stating facts. And others mentioned this.

 

[EXTRAS]

I mean he put up 38 points with next to no PP time, and certainly no pp1 time. If he's on a pp1 he almost certainly is in an offensive tier of guys like sergachev/seider/sanderson.

He just happens to have been on 2 teams who have top 3 or 4 offensive dmen in the league in makar/dahlin. He probably wishes he was drafted to 1 of 20 teams who dont have top tier offensive dmen. Would be hilarious if he now went to Vancouver to be behind hughes.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Buffalo is not trading him for picks snd prospects now.

If they were, the trade would have occured a week or more ago.

They want sf least one nhl player in return

Their primary ask would br Kasper

If someone were offering that, he likely would’ve already been dealt. A futures package may be their best option, unless they are prepared to pay him the big $$$ themselves.

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

Buffalo is not trading him for picks snd prospects now.

If they were, the trade would have occured a week or more ago.

They want sf least one nhl player in return

Their primary ask would br Kasper

danielson ,26 unprotected 1st and gustaffsson