Sabres are open for business

[Brandon Koch]

Elliotte Freidman said on hockey night in Canada that the Sabres are opened for business except for Jack Eichel.
Thoughts?
The Sabres are open for business

 

[Ace]

I think his evaluation led him to the same list I could have given him to start.

 

[TheStorm]

Elliotte Freidman said on hockey night in Canada that the Sabres are opened for business except for Jack Eichel.
Thoughts?
The Sabres are open for business

Sounds about right. How it should be.

 

[haseoke39]

From Friedman, in the article:

“A lot of people are talking about Evander Kane, I asked a couple of teams what the price would be, and here’s what a couple of them said: If you go back and look at a couple of deadline deals from the past couple of years, Andrew Ladd and Martin Hanzal, look at what their two teams got: Winnipeg got Marko Dano, a first-round pick, and a conditional pick for Ladd from Chicago, and Arizona got a first, a second and a fourth from Minnesota for Hanzal and Ryan White .... The sense is that Buffalo feels that Kane is a better player than both those players, so they’re going to be aiming higher. I don’t think they’re going to be getting a franchise defenceman for him, but I think that’s the idea of what they want to be, and Kane is having a great year.”

Well, that's a reassuring take on potential Kane returns. I'm happy with just a first, so the rest is gravy.

 

[Icicle]

I keep ROR no matter what. I also wouldn’t even consider trading Scandella.

But I’d be open to trading Ristolainen for a kings ransom of prospects. Do you get Sergachev and a cap dump for a player like him?

Kane, Reinhart, Larsson are also all obvious pieces.

I don’t think there’s value in much beyond that. If Okposo could get traded before the NTC I’d be giddy though. I hate his game and it hasn’t been producing.

 

[Gabrielor]

Guys I’d move if the price is high:
Ror Reinhart risto

Classic deadline guys:
Kane gorges pouliot

Guys who really need a change of teams:
Larsson girgs Lehner *Anyone else who’s a tank carryover

Albatrosses to lie,cheat,talk your way into trading:
Moulson okposo bogo


What to look for in return:
Someone who can rangle Jack
Picks and youth, with speed
Let’s build the defense first this time, especially since we already have Eichel.

 

[Ace]

I’d like to think that Botterill evaluated this team the same way I evaluated which WC Sabres jersey to buy.

No
No
No
God no
Laugh to self
Laugh out loud
No
No
No
I guess an Antipin would be kind of cool but who knows about him
No
No
What happened to you RoR?
No
Lol bogo
No
Good lord this is depressing I’ll take the Eichel.

 

[old kummelweck]

Kane is just business as usual so you make that deal when it comes.

Maybe he's my whipping boy, but I would start with ROR. I think a team could talk themselves into his upside and he'd fetch a good price a very good price. He was brought in for leadership and then drove into a Tim Hortons (allegedly).

I think the combination of those two move would put the sabres in a position to build the D

I would keep Scandella and Risto from the D. The rest of that core on the current roster you make available. Guhle is close and will step into a top 4. So it's really the frachise guy they need to find - probably through the draft.

Josefson and Pouliot have shown that Larsson and Zemgus type players can always be found. Smart move by the GM not commuting to either of them longer.

Okposo looks like a wait an see.

Part ways with Lehner. Someone will need a goalie at the deadline.

Moulson gets waived around the deadline. Someone will bite.

Reinhart they keep. Yes, he's not where you want him, but the talent and IQ are there.

Youth movement in Jan 2018. Fasching and Bailey come up when you move some guys out of the way. Erod and CJ potential big club additions.

 

[hizzoner]

The team is such a s... show right now that evaluating the worth of players is a bit of a mug's game. While I am in full agreement with the need for change I believe that a fire sale would only hurt long term. So I would give the team and staff more time to show what they can do. It will hurt but who is a quitter? Who will gut it out? Now if someone offers perceived or better value then sure-deal. But no more slow, injury prone, or narcissistic high maintenance prima donnas . If ROR thinks his diet has made him a better faster player he should check the tapes. If McCabe thinks he has improved then same thing. If Lehner thinks he has helped his team win games with big saves-same thing. Trying to figure out who can get out of the rut is what we need to do--then hang on to those players and jettison the rest for whatever we can get.

 

[stokes84]

ROR should absolutely be on the block. We have far too much money tied up into a losing core. If you can get a return similar to Duchene, you have to do it.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

ROR should absolutely be on the block. We have far too much money tied up into a losing core. If you can get a return similar to Duchene, you have to do it.

Duchene wanted out. He requested a trade. He only had a year and a half left on his contract and it was clear on both sides that he wouldn't be sticking around. The avs had to move him rather than lose him for nothing eventually. He was on the trade block for a year.

Completely different situation than ROR here.

 

[stokes84]

Duchene wanted out. He only had a year and a half left on his contract and it was clear on both sides that he wouldn't be sticking around. The avs had to move him rather than lose him for nothing eventually. He was on the trade block for a year.

Completely different situation than ROR here.

So how do you propose we fix financial situation here? By the time this train gets turned around, ROR will be past his prime and hold little value.

 

[Icicle]

You trade ROR and our center spine consists of Eichel, Reinhart????, Larsson, Girgensons??? Yeah uhh, you don't trade ROR. How many teams struggle because they have no centers? Too many.

 

[Cirris]

I guess it's time to update the This Promo for 2018...


Oh shit, even the arena name has changed. Just the same results in the ice.

 

[Jame]

ROR should absolutely be on the block. We have far too much money tied up into a losing core. If you can get a return similar to Duchene, you have to do it.

Ugh... god no.

If we trade ROR it should be in a 1 for 1 hockey trade... not a multi-asset rebuild trade. Giving up 6 years of ROR for, a few maybe someday hockey players is idiotic.

ROR for OEL
ROR for Giroux
etc

 

[stokes84]

You trade ROR and our center spine consists of Eichel, Reinhart????, Larsson, Girgensons??? Yeah uhh, you don't trade ROR. How many teams struggle because they have no centers? Too many.

Who cares? We're in last place and scored one goal in 4 games, and are basically on the same pace as the tank teams.

This rebuild needs to be rebuilt.

 

[Jame]

So how do you propose we fix the financial situation here? By the time this train gets turned around, ROR will be past his prime and hold little value.

We have 38 million in cap committed in 2019/20.... and Reinhart is the only player of any relative importance coming up for a contract in that time... and the following year another 9 million comes off (Bogo, Scandella).

There is no long term financial situation. If you think it's going to take so long to turn this thing around that ROR will be past his prime... well then we will also be past any cap issues...

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

So how do you propose we fix financial situation here? By the time this train gets turned around, ROR will be past his prime and hold little value.

One thing I wouldn't do is trade the guy that's been our best forward the past two seasons for a bunch of futures which is what the Avs got. He's 26 not 32.

You don't tear down the team again by shipping out your best players for draft picks when it's going badly 2 seasons into acquiring him.

Trading ROR for a young established defensemen is one thing but for what the Avs got? No ty.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

We have 38 million in cap committed in 2019/20.... and Reinhart is the only player of any relative importance coming up for a contract in that time... and the following year another 9 million comes off (Bogo, Scandella).

There is no long term financial situation. If you think it's going to take so long to turn this thing around that ROR will be past his prime... well then we will also be past any cap issues...

This. Moulson, Poms, bogo contracts are off the books before ROR starts holding no value.

 

[stokes84]

You don't tear down the team again by shipping out your best players for draft picks when it's going badly 2 seasons into acquiring him.

That's exactly what they should do, because besides Kane, he is the only one who can replenish the futures cabinet.

 

[Jame]

That's exactly what they should do, because besides Kane, he is the only one who can replenish the futures cabinet.

That's your focus? The futures cabinet?

 

[Der Jaeger]

That's exactly what they should do, because besides Kane, he is the only one who can replenish the futures cabinet.

The only reason Botterill should trade ROR is if a team offers a young #1 D. The Sabres prospect future is pretty bright. These trades need to be targeted, not a futures tear down.

 

[stokes84]

That's your focus? The futures cabinet?

That's how rebuilding works.

 

[Jame]

That's how rebuilding works.

If you're peter chiarelli

 

[1972]

Trade Kane for futures, there’s no way I’m trading ROR for futures.