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is the answer jesus said:
Absolutely. I don't see a plausible trade scenario between us and the Sens though. Karlsson would be an absolute god send for us.
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The concern that I would have is that EK is a UFA on 7/1/2019.

Given that the Sabres are a tire fire right now, I would be worried that the Sabres would give up a boatload and EK wouldn't re-sign.

I'd love EK or OEL on the Sabres blueline. Who wouldn't?

I just have little faith that they would sign long term unless it was an Eichel-esque overpayment.
 
OkimLom said:
If a NHL locker room full of NHL vets are swayed easily from doing their job by a 20 year old Eichel's attitude, then I want nothing to do with those guys. Until it is proven that HE is the THE influence of why guys who have played at least 5 years in the league are playing with little care, then I'm not going to say he is THE problem with that room. Either way, they need to get a VET coach that will bring order and accountability to that room so that a 20 year old player can't hijack a locker room full of NHL veterans.
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Right... hence the middle section of my post about bringing in guys who can impose their work ethic and attitude on the room and take Eichel down in the pecking order a few notches (from a leadership perspective). The problem is that guys like that, that also bring it on the ice, don't come cheap.

And yes, a stronger-willed coach would probably help.

All my own speculation anyways, not like I have any idea what actually goes on in the room.
 
Dreakon13 said:
Right... hence the middle section of my post about bringing in guys who can impose their work ethic and attitude on the room and take Eichel down in the pecking order a few notches (from a leadership perspective). The problem is that guys like that, that also bring it on the ice, don't come cheap.

And yes, a stronger-willed coach would probably help.

All my own speculation anyways, not like I have any idea what actually goes on in the room.
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So of you're of the opinion he did influence these vets. I'm of the opinion, that he didn't. You're making a big assumption for a basis of getting rid of guys which could be false.
 
Carolina makes sense to trade ROR or Reinhart for Hanifin. I don't think Reinhart gets it done but ROR would work...sucks to lose ROR but with Hanifin and drafting a defenceman in the first round our defensive worries are over.
 
OkimLom said:
So of you're of the opinion he did influence these vets. I'm of the opinion, that he didn't. You're making a big assumption for a basis of getting rid of guys which could be false.
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Not so much that he "influenced them"... perhaps just that the vets in the room were never great leaders, and defer to Eichel because it's easier, because of his status or authority in the organization, and/or because that he has a stronger (albeit immature/petulant) personality.

Whatever way you shake it, our "vets" aren't getting the job done.
 
kummelweck said:
I'd like to hear some arguments for hanging on to ROR.
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Because in a better situation, he's a legit top 6 two-way center/Selke candidate. GM's would line up for a player like that, even at his inflated price tag.

He just can't be expected to lead/motivate the room, and can't be asked to play an obscene amount of minutes every night.
 
Dreakon13 said:
Because in a better situation, he's a legit top 6 two-way center/Selke candidate. GM's would line up for a player like that, even at his inflated price tag.

He just can't be expected to lead/motivate the room, and can't be asked to play an obscene amount of minutes every night.
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I think he's too slow to be slotted in the Sabres center depth. I'd be fine with him at wing, which is where he has found ALL his success with the Canadian national team. But he seems to best fit into a 3rd line role on a top-end team and I think you have to ask whether that is worth the contract term and dollar amount. He's certainly a good FO guy, and someone you would want to work into critical draws. But the Sabres are paying for production and he doesn't seem to have the ability to do that consistently over the course of 82 games.
 
kummelweck said:
I think he's too slow to be slotted in the Sabres center depth. I'd be fine with him at wing, which is where he has found ALL his success with the Canadian national team. But he seems to best fit into a 3rd line role on a top-end team and I think you have to ask whether that is worth the contract term and dollar amount. He's certainly a good FO guy, and someone you would want to work into critical draws. But the Sabres are paying for production and he doesn't seem to have the ability to do that consistently over the course of 82 games.
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I think it's a environment issue, moreso than talent, personally. They just aren't leaders. They aren't motivators, they're "motivatees". Most of these guys would probably see a boost in production on other teams with different expectations (less complacent), a better locker room and a better foundation.

I think some people are still holding out hope the Sabres can turn into that in some way or another. And don't want to move key players like ROR before we get there.
 
HeartforReinheart said:
Carolina makes sense to trade ROR or Reinhart for Hanifin. I don't think Reinhart gets it done but ROR would work...sucks to lose ROR but with Hanifin and drafting a defenceman in the first round our defensive worries are over.
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Rule #1 about trading for defensemen. Don't pay 1st pairing prices for young defensemen playing 3rd pairing roles.
 
Dreakon13 said:
I think it's a environment issue, moreso than talent, personally. They just aren't leaders. They aren't motivators, they're "motivatees". Most of these guys would probably see a boost in production on other teams with different expectations (less complacent), a better locker room and a better foundation.

I think some people are still holding out hope the Sabres can turn into that in some way or another. And don't want to move key players like ROR before we get there.
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He's talented - but he's been in this top-6 center role for two coaches not counting COL, and frankly the environment argument is growing long in the tooth: just another incarnation of 'bad system'. We all blamed Bylsma. Now it must be Housley.

I have absolutely no issue with his defensive play, his PK, his face off prowess. I just don't see him producing at the level they need him from the center position. Could he do that next to Eichel's skill set? Maybe, but he's a winger in that scenario and getting paid too much. Sabres are also paying for leadership. Is he filling that role?
 
kummelweck said:
I'd like to hear some arguments for hanging on to ROR.
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He's the best NHLer on the team.

There are only 2 forwards in the entire organization with the potential to be better / more valuable than him.

He's in his prime.

His contract isn't a problem.

55-65 pt 2 way centers are the 3rd rarest /most difficult to acquire commodities in the NHL
 
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Chainshot said:
Pouliot, Pominville with retention, Larsson, Girgensons, Nolan, Gorges, Falk, McCabe , Josefson, Johnson and Lehner could all be in the move without batting an eye.
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stokes84 said:
We could get a boatload of 6th round picks. That should put us on the right track...
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Which you can then use to bring back ROR to BUF when you finally admit the folly of trading him.
 
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stokes84 said:
ROR is getting steamrolled. Girgensons did just as well at that role during the tank years as O'Reilly is doing now. He is a -19 through 27 games. That says everything.
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Who on the Sabres hasn't gotten steamrolled all season?

Kane - playing for next contract, known for not taking nights/shifts off playing for non-playoff teams his whole career, has no issue motivating himself regardless of the funk the Sabres are in.

Scandella

Whom else?
 
ROR sells jerseys, is on a good contract, is a faceoff menace, and is good enough for Team Canada, so people here thinking he isn't good enough for this bottom feeding team are just jaded. He started the season slow and has moved on since. But honestly, he hasn't had a useful winger all season, what do you expect from him? Okposo has been terrible. Pouliot is only good in tiny stretches. Reinhart has been a step behind every play. And most recently he's had Nolan.. Against other team's top competition. That's a tall order for any player in the league.
 
As the fury of trade proposals fades a bit, it's likely that ROR goes nowhere. Same with Ristolainen. Possible but unlikely with Reinhart. Hard to do with Okposo.

Kane will be moved. I bet Lehner will too. Possibly Bogosian. And all the UFAs.

Botterill will be looking for future and someone who is a leader.

That's most likely what happens.
 
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SnuggaRUDE said:
If Chad Johnson and Robin Lehner are the pieces teams want, then the future is bleaker than I feared.
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Johnson's having a bad season, but he his SV% was .915+ over the last two seasons. A team who's confident that it can keep high-danger shots to a minimum, and is in need of a backup goaltender, may be interested.
 
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HeartforReinheart said:
I am sure Carolina will give him away at 3rd pairing value...lol. He is a top 4 defender
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I don't think that's the point.

ROR is probably the best NHL veteran we have on the team. You want to put Eichel ahead of him, I'm fine with that; but name me a better player on the Sabres than ROR?

I don't think you give up 50-60 pt 2nd line, 2-way centremen who has played on the world stage for Team Canada for Hanifan who, sure, projects as a top 4, but is still a gamble at this point.

Maybe Hanifin is just not the right target. Carolina probably views him very highly, but he hasn't yet proven much. You won't get him cheap and he's definitely a gamble. Trading a highly valuable and proven commodity for that just wouldn't be smart in my view.
 
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