Proposal: Saad to Columbus

[lanceuppercut75]

How about the Blues figure that out on their end.

You're being obtuse.

I'm asking you if this trade is something CBJ would maybe be interested in:

to Columbus Blue Jackets
BRANDON SAAD
mid-20s 3rd pair DFD / 2wayD, cheap cap w/ some potential
depth prospect, nobody special but SOME potential

to St Louis Blues
IVAN PROVOROV
Corson Ceulemans

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Nothing against Saad but I doubt he'd be worth it for us. Whoever we acquire ideally will be pushed to 3rd or 4th line by March. Can't give up too much for a stop gap.

 

[Viqsi]

How would you feel about doing this trade and then immediately following it up with a trade involving a third team where you swap Perunovich for a very comparable (age, salary, potential, etc) two way or defensive D?

"Flip him for what you REALLY want" is always a ripoff proposal.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Nothing against Saad but I doubt he'd be worth it for us. Whoever we acquire ideally will be pushed to 3rd or 4th line by March. Can't give up too much for a stop gap.

That would make him an ideal candidate to be honest. Seems as if he gets his 20-30 and 20 regardless of where he plays.

However, I’m not sure there’s a bridge to gap between Columbus not really needing to pay a premium due to not being in a competitive window, and the Blues trading a contributor that they can push down the lineup and know what they’re getting. Especially given the trade protection attached.

Just a side note attached here from reading earlier as well. I don’t think there are many trades in which the Blues would trade Neifhbors. He seems pretty engrained into the locker room and into the Blues future plans. As much sense as it makes as Jiricek hypothetically fits exactly what we need. I still don’t think the Blues front office would move Neighbors.

"Flip him for what you REALLY want" is always a ripoff proposal.

Practical on paper. Not practical when you account for the players and managers being people.

 

[PocketNines]

You're being obtuse.

I'm asking you if this trade is something CBJ would maybe be interested in:

to Columbus Blue Jackets
BRANDON SAAD
mid-20s 3rd pair DFD / 2wayD, cheap cap w/ some potential
depth prospect, nobody special but SOME potential

to St Louis Blues
IVAN PROVOROV
Corson Ceulemans

Provorov is garbage and also he sucks at hockey. Provorov is a player worth boycotting my own team if they acquire him, he is loathsome

 

[Linkens Mastery]

What about something like :

SAAD + PERUNOVICH + depth prospect
for
PROVOROV + Ceulemans

Not interested in Provorov. We don't need anymore 2nd pairing defensemen, we have more than enough.

 

[ViD]

Provorov is garbage and also he sucks at hockey. Provorov is a player worth boycotting my own team if they acquire him, he is loathsome

He’s not garbage and he doesn’t suck at hockey. I guess you have your non hockey related reasons to hate him

 

[PocketNines]

He’s not garbage and he doesn’t suck at hockey. I guess you have your non hockey related reasons to hate him

From "the way he plays" standpoint, he is a bum who I absolutely wouldn't want, but yes that discussion is not even reached because of his human choices and mine.

By the way you're offering a non bum top 4 defenseman+ for a veteran winger while also asserting he doesn't suck. Ok, sure

 

[BretterThanYou]

I don't think Provorov is the person we need to be chasing. I don't think he fits the Blues timeline, and he has no upwards trajectory. I'd be open to the Ceulemans reclamation project, possibly with some conditions for a 5th/6th round pick as a buffer to Saad if it couldn't get done one for one.

Jiricek for Neighbours is probably equal value wise, but I don't think either team jumps at the chance to do it. Probably rather just stick with their guy.

 

[bleedblue1223]

The Saad/Provorov proposal doesn't really make sense. Provorov doesn't fit our d-core with a healthy Leddy and Broberg on the left. Both d prospects are busts anyway.

 

[majormajor]

Provorov is garbage and also he sucks at hockey. Provorov is a player worth boycotting my own team if they acquire him, he is loathsome

If one only knew Provorov as a Blue Jacket and was ignorant of anything prior to the last 15 months, then one would have no idea what you're talking about. Just a solid quiet top 4D. Not that interesting.

By the way you're offering a non bum top 4 defenseman+ for a veteran winger while also asserting he doesn't suck. Ok, sure

He wasn't offering and I'm not offering. Jackets fans expect him to be dealt at the deadline but he helps the D a lot while he's still around.

The only thing making me consider a Saad swap was that the Jackets have two top 9 wingers right now. But even with that desperation the Jackets probably prefer Provorov.

I'd be open to the Ceulemans reclamation project, possibly with some conditions for a 5th/6th round pick as a buffer to Saad if it couldn't get done one for one.

Ceulemans is worth closer to a 5th rounder himself. You can have him for nearly free. He just hasn't developed and he's behind many other D prospects in the depth chart.

 

[Youngguns1380]

Provorov is garbage and also he sucks at hockey. Provorov is a player worth boycotting my own team if they acquire him, he is loathsome

Okay that isn’t nice and not true. He is good just not all star or elite. Definitely a gamer in meaning he doesn’t miss games.

Sounds like you personally don’t like him?? He is very low-key and seems to be liked in the locker room.

 

[Memento]

Wouldn't mind taking a chance on Ceulemans as a reclamation project. What would you ask in exchange?

 

[Reality Czech]

Okay that isn’t nice and not true. He is good just not all star or elite. Definitely a gamer in meaning he doesn’t miss games.

Sounds like you personally don’t like him?? He is very low-key and seems to be liked in the locker room.

I'm sure some people are still upset over a certain opinion Provy has. How well liked he is by teammates or anything else he's done in his life is irrelevant to them.

 

[Kshahdoo]

And why did they trade him to start with? Did they even get something good for him?

 

[Cowumbus]

I think Saad to Columbus could be a great fit now for both teams.

For the Blues, I would really like to see Bolduc play consistent top 6 minutes and Saad is blocking him from doing that. Also, with younger players like Dvorsky and Snuggerud coming, the Blues simply need more open top 9 spots.

For Columbus, they desperately need wingers right now because of all their injuries. Why not get a familiar face in Saad who is a lock for 20 goals and has been healthy his entire time with the Blues? Also, his 4.5 million cap hit for this year and next year is fair for what he brings to the team.

What would Columbus be willing to offer? The Blues need RHD prospects the most and on their NHL squad they need a legit top 4 LHD who can play with Parayko. Provorov seems like an interesting fit, but I've never been the biggest fan of his.

Also, what's up with David Jiricek? I keep tabs on him because the Blues have his brother now and I think it would be cool to pair the two together some day. Either way why is Jack Johnson playing over Jiricek? Makes no sense I would think either send him down to dominate the AHL with Mateychuk or play him 3rd pair and let him make mistakes and learn. Unless he wants an NHL paycheck and doesn't want to go to the AHL

You want our best prospect for 2 years of Saad??

What about Saad for Svozil or Cuelemans?

This isn’t fair… for the Blues.