GDT: S1G3 - Stars @ Avs - Low-Effort Gangstalking edition

[expatriatedtexan]

See I'm never wrong. I did over estimate Blackwood and thought he would make the initial save but Seguin would get two or three more whacks at the puck. Because defending the front of the net is for low class teams.

It's reflected as Coyle Landy are the second line because you put them out there with no hesitation. You can lean on them defensively or an offensive zone draw.

The NNN line depending on how they mesh you can't just keep rolling out. And if you need to shorten the bench they're the one who gets left out.

You really don't though. Nuke pursues the puck and shoots the puck. Necas carries the puck and distributes the puck. Nelson is great as a triggerman. This line hasn't been given a chance to work.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I’m just thinking against a tough defensive Dallas team we should put the best offensive top 2 lines as possible so we can get some goals, and just have the 3rd 4th lines be solid defensively. Drouin and Nelson have been the quietest on the top 6, move them to 3rd line

I do like the idea of trying Coyle as 2C, but Necas and Mack together is just too many eggs in one basket, and it hasn't yielded the dominant results needed to make it worth it IMO.

 

[the_fan]

I do like the idea of trying Coyle as 2C, but Necas and Mack together is just too many eggs in one basket, and it hasn't yielded the dominant results needed to make it worth it IMO.

I’ll be fine with switching Necas with Val

 

[the_fan]

MacK and Necas has to be split up. Put Necas with Nelson. Somehow. Someway.

Necas with Coyle maybe. Coyle has been far more noticeable than Nelson.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

You really don't though. Nuke pursues the puck and shoots the puck. Necas carries the puck and distributes the puck. Nelson is great as a triggerman. This line hasn't been given a chance to work.

Or Nelson continues to play how he had and Necas continues to be soft on the puck and the line is a defensive liability.

It's a high upside line and I think it could work really well. But I also acknowledge that we want the lines switched up because some of the guys are playing like trash. And changing line mates may not solve the problem.

 

[flyfysher]

Given the discussion about possible line combos, I realized that of the many possible lineups, Bednar has consistently iced lines with the least chemistry.

I don’t care if you call the second line as third line or vice versa. What matters to me is getting everyone going. First, Drouin needs to be dropped down or preferably scratched. I don’t think he’s capable of playing PO hockey anymore this season. That’s no slam to Drouin but it is what it is. Avs need to deal with it.

I also strongly feel a lot of Nelson’s problems are directly attributable to Bednar not properly using him by giving his line with other players that don’t complement his skills. He’s sneaky good at going down low and tipping pucks for goals, setting picks and has a wicked shot. Bednar should be employing tactics like sending Nelson down the slot. Bednar is wasting Mack and Necas because they have similar skill sets and he’s playing them on the same line.

People say Necas is a ghost in the POs. Well dammit, don’t treat him like he’s Rants. This is IMO another instance of Bednar miscasting/misusing a player.

Nelson doesn’t strike me as lacking intensity. Remember Nelson wanted to come here to play for the Avs. Bednar’s attitude towards Nelson is reminiscent of his dog shit treatment of Parssinen and Mitts. It’s an insult to the fans and club considering what CMac gave up to get him and for Bednar to not doing all he can to get him going.. It’s inexcusable because if a HC isn’t diligently working to get all 4 lines going then wTF are you doing as a HC? My sense is that Nelson is lost in our offensive schemes and consequently isn’t engaging in plays like he should. I don’t remember Isles fans saying Nelson was soft against the boards. His Avs critics have a point though. It’s shit like this and the poor chemistry in the top 6 that make me wonder WTF Bednar was doing to get the team ready before the POs. Anyway, the Nelson hate is kinda annoying because he’s a proven 2C and PO performer. People shouldn’t expect another Kadri career type year or measuring their expectations for Nelson against Kadri.

62-11-88 was a great line. Yes, Lehky has been cursed with his SOG attempts but I don’t doubt his intensity and competitiveness. I can’t say the same about Mack. Set Necas free to be an playmaker on his own line and his offensive production will rise.

Play Landeskog on the top 3 lines as needed. The only issue is does he have the physical ability and stamina. Well we now know he’s physically capable so it’s only a question of his endurance.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I do like the idea of trying Coyle as 2C, but Necas and Mack together is just too many eggs in one basket, and it hasn't yielded the dominant results needed to make it worth it IMO.

I'm not really sure what to do....

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Nelson-Nate-Nuke (playmaker-unicorn-defensive hound who can also finish)​

Necas-Coyle-Lehky (playmaking winger-good shot center-most clutch goal scorer in the league​

Landy-Drury-JD (GOAT-defensive center-playmaker on the outs)​

Wood-Kelly-LOC (Donkey-Defensive Donkey-Deserves better than 4th line but not really offensive enough for the third)​

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Meh, I don't know... what do you suggest?

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[CobraAcesS]

I'm not really sure what to do....

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Nelson-Nate-Nuke (playmaker-unicorn-defensive hound who can also finish)​

Necas-Coyle-Lehky (playmaking winger-good shot center-most clutch goal scorer in the league​

Landy-Drury-JD (GOAT-defensive center-playmaker on the outs)​

Wood-Kelly-LOC (Donkey-Defensive Donkey-Deserves better than 4th line but not really offensive enough for the third)​

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Meh, I don't know... what do you suggest?

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Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Nelson - Necas
Landy - Coyle - Kiviranta
Kelly - Drury - LOC

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Necas with Coyle maybe. Coyle has been far more noticeable than Nelson.

Coyle is a f***ing junk-yard dog. When I call him sir, I'm spelling it cur. He get's noticed...that's who he is and what he does.

Nelson's rather silent presence I believe is due to chemistry and misuse rather than a guy who has been a great 2C for a decade all of a sudden fogetting how to hockey. I maintain that Bednar maniacal drive to ice the best five man unit for 30+ minutes a night, leads him to giving absolutely no shits about his 2C. The second line wingers will always be whoever Bednar rejects for the first line at any given moment. He has no instinct other than give me the best five players who have two gasps of air in their lungs.

Or Nelson continues to play how he had and Necas continues to be soft on the puck and the line is a defensive liability.

It's a high upside line and I think it could work really well. But I also acknowledge that we want the lines switched up because some of the guys are playing like trash. And changing line mates may not solve the problem.

Could blow up spectacularly. But what in the f*** has prevented this from happening when we have a coach who is known as the Bednar Blender?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Nelson - Necas
Landy - Coyle - Kiviranta
Kelly - Drury - LOC

Yeah, my only concern is Drouin. But if he and Nate got Nuke...that could alleviate a lot of those concerns.

 

[the_fan]

Coyle is a f***ing junk-yard dog. When I call him sir, I'm spelling it cur. He get's noticed...that's who he is and what he does.

Nelson's rather silent presence I believe is due to chemistry and misuse rather than a guy who has been a great 2C for a decade all of a sudden fogetting how to hockey. I maintain that Bednar maniacal drive to ice the best five man unit for 30+ minutes a night, leads him to giving absolutely no shits about his 2C. The second line wingers will always be whoever Bednar rejects for the first line at any given moment. He has no instinct other than give me the best five players who have two gasps of air in their lungs.


Could blow up spectacularly. But what in the f*** has prevented this from happening when we have a coach who is known as the Bednar Blender?

Ever since we’ve gotten Nelson, one thing has always been noticeable with him is how soft he is on pucks. He loses it too easily. Seems like his game is to get open for a shot because he does have a very good shot, but against Dallas, it’s not that easy to get open. Coyle on the other hand is hard on pucks, forechecks well and he does have offensive skills too. He’s an underrated passer

 

[flyfysher]

Ever since we’ve gotten Nelson, one thing has always been noticeable with him is how soft he is on pucks. He loses it too easily. Seems like his game is to get open for a shot because he does have a very good shot, but against Dallas, it’s not that easy to get open. Coyle on the other hand is hard on pucks, forechecks well and he does have offensive skills too. He’s an underrated passer

Being soft on pucks is glaring for him given his size. But he doesn’t use his physicality. Otter turned away his point blank shot but people don’t mention that Nelson was in the right position.

 

[hockeyfish]

I don’t usually let games get me down, but f*** I’m still pissed about it. At least they won’t lose tomorrow.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I do like the idea of trying Coyle as 2C, but Necas and Mack together is just too many eggs in one basket, and it hasn't yielded the dominant results needed to make it worth it IMO.

I'm not really sure what to do....

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Nelson-Nate-Nuke (playmaker-unicorn-defensive hound who can also finish)​

Necas-Coyle-Lehky (playmaking winger-good shot center-most clutch goal scorer in the league​

Landy-Drury-JD (GOAT-defensive center-playmaker on the outs)​

Wood-Kelly-LOC (Donkey-Defensive Donkey-Deserves better than 4th line but not really offensive enough for the third)​

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Meh, I don't know... what do you suggest?

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Drouin - Mack - Nuke
Lehky - Nelson - Necas
Landy - Coyle - Kiviranta
Kelly - Drury - LOC

You dirty dog you...

 

[niwotsblessing]

Fire Bednar.

Impale the refs.

 

[hockeyfish]

Fire Bednar.

Impale the refs.

Eat the rich.

 

[hockeyfish]

Fire Bednar.

Impale the refs.

Eat the rich.

 

[Refalanhe]

 

[The Kingslayer]

How about switching Coyle with Nelson in game 4? I’m thinking Coyle might do more than Nelson centering the 2nd line

Im all for it. Im done with Nelson. He can walk his ass back to Long Island where he loves it. Just hope Ritchie turns into Tyson Jost and not Patrice Bergeron.

 

[the_fan]

Im all for it. Im done with Nelson. He can walk his ass back to Long Island where he loves it. Just hope Ritchie turns into Tyson Jost and not Patrice Bergeron.

Yeah, unless Nelson somehow goes off, puts up bunch of points and helps us go to conference finals or something, CMac probably won’t even attempt to re-sign him. Our hope for 2C next year is gonna be Coyle. He might actually be good if he can repeat the 25 goals and 60 point production from a year ago

 

[The Kingslayer]

Yeah, unless Nelson somehow goes off, puts up bunch of points and helps us go to conference finals or something, CMac probably won’t even attempt to re-sign him. Our hope for 2C next year is gonna be Coyle. He might actually be good if he can repeat the 25 goals and 60 point production from a year ago

I would ideally like to keep Coyle as 3C because I think hes perfect for there. Im not sure the Avs have the assets to even trade for a 2C right now and I dont know what the UFA list is looking like going into the summer. They really did f*** up by not retaining Kadri.

 

[the_fan]

I would ideally like to keep Coyle as 3C because I think hes perfect for there. Im not sure the Avs have the assets to even trade for a 2C right now and I dont know what the UFA list is looking like going into the summer. They really did f*** up by not retaining Kadri.

Bro, don’t even remind me of Kadri. One of the biggest mistakes this organization has ever made not re-signing him. Not just everyone we’ve tried since Naz hasn’t worked, but all the assets we’ve given up to get a 2C. I usually don’t get too pissed off about things, but not re-signing Kadri pisses me off a ton

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Keep in mind if they don't keep Nelson they probably do have $5-6M in cap space to work with to go get someone else.

The issue is we don't really have the assets.

But if they don't re-sign Nelson, as of today we're at $86.6M next year with 11F, 5D, and 2G signed.


Could for sure drop $6M on a 2C, and then $3M on the remaining 2-3 roster spots(All just depth guys).

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I still believe they are capable of winning, but I'm not sure I believe they can win.

Apparently it's too difficult for our stars to gut out gritty wins. We need to stop being such a perimeter team - our GM literally sold our future so we can get big and physical for these kinds of series but our game plan remains playing from the periphery. What's the point of icing Coyle, Nelson, Landy, even Wood, just to have us float weak wristers from the outside that will either get blocked 60% of the time or miss the net 40% of the time when it doesn't get blocked.

That's because the only thing standing between them and another championship is our top unit's inability to play 50 minutes a night.

Bednar has got to f***ing go.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Bro, don’t even remind me of Kadri. One of the biggest mistakes this organization has done not re-signing him. Not even everyone we’ve tried since Naz hasn’t worked, but all the assets we’ve given up to get a 2C. I usually don’t get too pissed off about things, but not re-signing Kadri pisses me off a ton

Kadri damn near lead the Flames into the playoffs this year. Someone asked me the other day what the Avs are missing and its that swagger that Kadri brought. For as talented as Nate is he does not have that internal belief the same way Kadri does. He reminds me of those north side lebs lol @dahrougem2 cocky as all hell.