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WannabeFinn
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Crede777
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It's one of the two major risks with Ryan Johansen. The two are issues are:
1. Can he recover physically from being out of shape last season? Basically, can he show last season was a fluke? I think it was and that he can.
2. His contract is up this season. I think he may have settled down since his last negotiation, but we'll see.
1. Can he recover physically from being out of shape last season? Basically, can he show last season was a fluke? I think it was and that he can.
2. His contract is up this season. I think he may have settled down since his last negotiation, but we'll see.
I'm not looking to start this pissing match again, but you're ignoring a substantial qualifier.
Stuff with the body? What the hell does that mean? Probably one of the lamest explanations/excuses I've ever heard uttered by a professional athlete.
I don't know. But given he got hospitalized early in the season for heart issues, I'm inclined to believe there was something going on.
Of course, there's a non zero portion of the board who thinks he never went to the hospital at all, so I guess I'll leave you with calling him Schroedingers Centerman.
Those issues usually see the light of day eventually. It's the nonchalance that bothers me.
Johansen2Foligno
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We don't get much medical information from the team (see the extent of Horton's injury which we didn't find out until the trade).
He probably wanted to skate over the American flag.
Double-Shift Lasse
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Because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you get to decide what it means.
I don't like the answer either and I'm not deciding what it means. I don't like the answer because he's just nonchalant about keeping the whole thing secret. What happened last year? We don't know.
Double-Shift Lasse
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I allowed that the answer was un-like-able. I care less about the secrets or the nonchalance, but I get why one might. As long as we don't start deciding what it means when we have absolutely no more info.
CBJWerenski8
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I was very outspoken about this when it happened, so I guess I'll re-open old wounds..
I still feel like we will look back on this trade with great regret. I like Seth Jones alot. I feel like he is a good defenseman with potential to be very good to even great possibly. However, I KNOW Ryan Johansen is great with the potential to be elite. By elite, I mean a top tier center in the NHL with the likes of Thornton in his prime, Giroux, Kopitar, etc. Not in the class of Crosby or McDavid, but the tier below them. He had a bad year last year, there's no escaping that. There's no question he has some issue with commitment in his past with the benching in the AHL playoffs to the conspiracy of last year (In my opinion, Joey was out of shape due to his heart condition, but that's neither here nor there), and to his relationship with Torts.
I think Joey will be PPG this season, and will establish himself as an elite center. Personally, I am rooting for the kid because I think he was made the villain for our horrible season on these boards, and in our media. To me, his 'lackadaisical' attitude in his answers to the media and his 'questionable effort' in games (which to me, looked the exact same as previous years when he emerged) were over analyzed because he was our best player and we sucked. I guess that comes with the territory of being great, but damn did we have to run him out of town?
I really hope we don't outright lose this deal like we did in both Gaborik deals and basically every other trade Jarmo has done aside from Umberger for Hartnell. I hope Jones can at the very least be a top pairing defenseman (no, I don't mean a top pairing defenseman on OUR team, a legit top pairing defenseman like Josi, Suter, whoever you want to pick). If he can develop into an elite #1 defenseman and Joey is a #1 center then we'll be perfectly happy and so will Nashville.
Long story short, Go Joey.
I still feel like we will look back on this trade with great regret. I like Seth Jones alot. I feel like he is a good defenseman with potential to be very good to even great possibly. However, I KNOW Ryan Johansen is great with the potential to be elite. By elite, I mean a top tier center in the NHL with the likes of Thornton in his prime, Giroux, Kopitar, etc. Not in the class of Crosby or McDavid, but the tier below them. He had a bad year last year, there's no escaping that. There's no question he has some issue with commitment in his past with the benching in the AHL playoffs to the conspiracy of last year (In my opinion, Joey was out of shape due to his heart condition, but that's neither here nor there), and to his relationship with Torts.
I think Joey will be PPG this season, and will establish himself as an elite center. Personally, I am rooting for the kid because I think he was made the villain for our horrible season on these boards, and in our media. To me, his 'lackadaisical' attitude in his answers to the media and his 'questionable effort' in games (which to me, looked the exact same as previous years when he emerged) were over analyzed because he was our best player and we sucked. I guess that comes with the territory of being great, but damn did we have to run him out of town?
I really hope we don't outright lose this deal like we did in both Gaborik deals and basically every other trade Jarmo has done aside from Umberger for Hartnell. I hope Jones can at the very least be a top pairing defenseman (no, I don't mean a top pairing defenseman on OUR team, a legit top pairing defenseman like Josi, Suter, whoever you want to pick). If he can develop into an elite #1 defenseman and Joey is a #1 center then we'll be perfectly happy and so will Nashville.
Long story short, Go Joey.
This. This fan base has done this before, most notably Nash. I seem to remember someone saying they would never cheer for him again because he did a nasal blast in pregame when there was a kid nearby, as if he was deliberately doing it to disrespect the kid....seriously?! People saying there wasnt a problem with him (which has been speculated to be his heart, in which if it was, you dont mess around with that and its none of our business) and he was just lazy or that he somehow owes people an explanation. Fans love to make their own conclusions on things they have zero info on. Just because youre thrust into the NHL at a young age doesnt mean you'll mature faster then you would otherwise. As the article stated he's almost at 500 games, and he's only 24. We gave up on a high end center (like others have said, not necessarily Crosby level, but high), hopefully Jones' game will make the trade worth while. I liked Joey, sure he was immature at times, but most kids are, hell, I know 28 year olds who are still extremely immature.
Nanabijou
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I don't feel animosity towards him and I don't wish him ill will, but I definitely won't be cheering for him either. I've moved on and I'm glad the Jackets moved on and turned the page. I'd go back and do that trade for Jones any day of the week.
Short story shorter, Go Seth.
Pretty much how I feel. I honestly don't care at this point, I care more about what Jones is doing. That being said, I like Nashville and I think they are going to make it pretty damn deep this season.
Dr. Fire
What, me worry?
This.
It's old news. It's done. Joey is a Pred, and Seth is a Jacket. I care about what is going on now with the Jackets. No more looking up a dead horses ass.
I care about the here and now with the CBJ. Good luck to Joey and the Preds, but I just don't care anymore about that trade.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
This is a fan making his own conclusion just as much as the opposite tale. We gave up a very good center to get a very good defenseman, that doesn't mean we "gave up" on him.
Mayor Bee
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It was established last year that Johansen had a couple of bouts with a rapid pulse during offseason condition, so I'll chime in because I have had the same thing happen.
It's terrifying. You're an athlete, you know your body pretty well. You know what it feels like when your heart gets going, you know what it feels like if you're properly hydrated or dehydrated, you know whether minor pang in your ankle is new or a nagging reminder of an injury suffered years prior. You know when you're lifting if you have three more reps in you or if one more is going to be one too many. Why? Because you've been doing this for most of your life.
And something goes wrong. If you step funny and feel a sharp pain in your ankle, you know that something has gone wrong. And if you've injured it, you can take proper steps to rest it so that it can heal. If you're picking up a weight you've had no problem with and your arm starts shaking, you know you've hit maximum muscle overload and are pretty much done for the day; you can do what you can to rest it.
But this isn't like that. This is your heart, which is always beating and which you have never had a single problem with. You're doing the same thing (conditioning) that you've done for years and have never had your pulse spike to a level 50% faster than it's ever been in your life. All you know is that this is wrong. And it's terrifying, because you know that Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis and a slew of high school and college kids of all sports have died during a game or conditioning from an undiagnosed heart condition that's only discovered in an autopsy.
So you stop for the day and get checked out. They can't find anything wrong, which is of little comfort. Now it's not just an episode of a rapid pulse, but there isn't anything that can be found to have caused it. So you go a couple of days without working it. Finally after three or four days, you're good to go. And the instant that your pulse starts to elevate from its resting rate, your mind goes haywire. It's happening again; in another thirty or forty seconds, the same thing is going to happen, and you might not be so lucky this time. So you stop what you're doing and worry like hell for the few minutes that it takes for your pulse to drop back down to normal.
Repeat this for some period of time, until it either gets fixed by an ablation process (like with Joey Harrington) or it gets treated by medication. But by then, you've missed a lot of time conditioning, and you know that you're going to be playing catch-up for the entire season.
In my case, I suffered an episode while jogging, and then again a couple days later while laying flat on my back. That was how I discovered it was a reaction I was having to an OTC medication. But you know what? I haven't jogged one time since that happened, and this was over a decade ago.
It's terrifying. You're an athlete, you know your body pretty well. You know what it feels like when your heart gets going, you know what it feels like if you're properly hydrated or dehydrated, you know whether minor pang in your ankle is new or a nagging reminder of an injury suffered years prior. You know when you're lifting if you have three more reps in you or if one more is going to be one too many. Why? Because you've been doing this for most of your life.
And something goes wrong. If you step funny and feel a sharp pain in your ankle, you know that something has gone wrong. And if you've injured it, you can take proper steps to rest it so that it can heal. If you're picking up a weight you've had no problem with and your arm starts shaking, you know you've hit maximum muscle overload and are pretty much done for the day; you can do what you can to rest it.
But this isn't like that. This is your heart, which is always beating and which you have never had a single problem with. You're doing the same thing (conditioning) that you've done for years and have never had your pulse spike to a level 50% faster than it's ever been in your life. All you know is that this is wrong. And it's terrifying, because you know that Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis and a slew of high school and college kids of all sports have died during a game or conditioning from an undiagnosed heart condition that's only discovered in an autopsy.
So you stop for the day and get checked out. They can't find anything wrong, which is of little comfort. Now it's not just an episode of a rapid pulse, but there isn't anything that can be found to have caused it. So you go a couple of days without working it. Finally after three or four days, you're good to go. And the instant that your pulse starts to elevate from its resting rate, your mind goes haywire. It's happening again; in another thirty or forty seconds, the same thing is going to happen, and you might not be so lucky this time. So you stop what you're doing and worry like hell for the few minutes that it takes for your pulse to drop back down to normal.
Repeat this for some period of time, until it either gets fixed by an ablation process (like with Joey Harrington) or it gets treated by medication. But by then, you've missed a lot of time conditioning, and you know that you're going to be playing catch-up for the entire season.
In my case, I suffered an episode while jogging, and then again a couple days later while laying flat on my back. That was how I discovered it was a reaction I was having to an OTC medication. But you know what? I haven't jogged one time since that happened, and this was over a decade ago.
I hate to set up a tangent but you're really begging for it with offhand remarks like this. I know you're a smart guy so I'm going to assume this is bitterness and not poor memory.
Leaving aside swaps of minor-leaguers and soon to be free agents, there's only three more deals Jarmo has done:
1) Horton for Clarkson (FAIL)
2) Wiz for Karlsson (WIN) I know a lot of folks didn't think it was a good deal last year, but we got an actual good young player for a guy who has since been bought out. Jarmo should get credit for that.
3) Saad for Dano and Anisimov (GIGUNDUS WIN)
I feel comfortable waiting out the long run on Jones for Joey, because I think Jones' role for the team is so important and because he has huge upside - but for me it was a good trade to make even if the "in a vacuum" value diverges in the wrong way. It's also important to build the right room and to have accountability. I don't like "Let's wait for Joey to get in shape..". And for all the folks clamoring for accountability on this team, that's what this was.
They're both on my teams, so I'm cheering for both. But Jones and the Jackets come first.
Best of both worlds.
Agreed.. and I don't root for any of their players in particular (besides maybe Subban) but, I do hope they get over the hump this year in the playoffs.
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Good assessment.
A good friend of mine had a TIA (mini stroke with no damage) a few years ago and every time he feels numbness of any time for any duration, he says he does a huge double take. Things that put the fear of God into you tend to have lasting repercussions. Johansen's situation probably fell into this category.
