Value of: Ryan Suter

[Farnham4top6]

Määttä + Kunitz +Simon+ Fehr for Suter?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Polie thought he was promised a chance to match whatever deal Suter decided to take and was never given that chance to match. From what I recall at the time.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You're forgetting about the recapture penalty the Wild will face if he retires. They'll just LTIR him and keep paying him. Only way he leaves is if he demands it (NMC) and threatens retirement.

We heard this same argument about Weber and Nashville was okay with trading him, albeit that was for a superstar. If the right deal is there, recapture penalties aren't a huge deterrent in my opinion.

 

[nomorekids]

We heard this same argument about Weber and Nashville was okay with trading him, albeit that was for a superstar. If the right deal is there, recapture penalties aren't a huge deterrent in my opinion.

There's a little bit of debate about whether these contracts are subject to recapture penalties, since that didn't become part of the CBA until after the contracts were signed.

 

[glenngineer]

Suter had actually agreed to a deal in November of his last season and never re-signed with Nashville.

 

[TheDoldrums]

1st
Jvr
Dermott

I don't care about Dermott or JVR but it's far too much risk on Toronto's part to deal that pick, assuming you mean the 2017 1st. You could be trading away the 1st overall, I think it's likely to be top 5. Did we learn nothing from Tyler Seguin? Suter's contract is concerning. This is not the type of move a rebuilding team makes. Not enticing at all even before the suggestion of adding Nylander, which is just insane.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

1st
Jvr
Dermott

More like 1st, JVR and Nylander, yah that's what it would cost.

 

[LTIR]

I could see him wanting out honestly. He wants to much ice time for himself, more than hes getting and we need more for the other guys. What teams would be interested in acquiring him?

so you want him traded because he wants more time...

He is the Wild's best player, is likely to be their best player for a few years more, and will still be an effective player into his mid/late 30's. Especially if the coaching staff wise up and reduces his minutes from 28-29/ night down to 23-24/night. Throw in the recapture penalty and a NMC and you have to realize that a trade is highly unlikely.

So you want to reduce his minutes by 5 per game..

More like 1st, JVR and Nylander, yah that's what it would cost.

Doubt it.. .TOR 1st holds great value.. TOR will ruin its "rebuild" if they make this move.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

so you want him traded because he wants more time...

So you want to reduce his minutes by 5 per game..


Doubt it.. .TOR 1st holds great value.. TOR will ruin its "rebuild" if they make this move.

Not saying they would do it, (I don't think they would) just pointing out how much they would have to pay.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

As far as trading Suter? That ridiculous. For years upon years Wild fans have been saying we lacked a true #1D. We have one, and they are not easy to find. We definitely do not have his replacement on our roster or pipeline. Unless we are doing some kind of star for star trade like MTL/NSH, like for a true #1C, I don't see the rationale.

He is the Wild's best player, is likely to be their best player for a few years more, and will still be an effective player into his mid/late 30's. Especially if the coaching staff wise up and reduces his minutes from 28-29/ night down to 23-24/night. Throw in the recapture penalty and a NMC and you have to realize that a trade is highly unlikely.

I still think Suter will get 25-27 minutes a night. As good as our blueline is he will still be the minute leader of that corp. Suter has shown that his previous workload does not seem to wear him down. He won't be able to steamroll Coach BB, like he did with Yeo for minutes. He is still the best defenseman we got, and his ice time will still reflect that. I don't say this as some Suter fanboy, but I think he will retire a Wild.

 

[gwh]

Suter has NMC plus special pull with the owner.

Very theoretical thread, unless Parise back injury goes nuclear and the team melts.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Suter has NMC plus special pull with the owner.

Very theoretical thread, unless Parise back injury goes nuclear and the team melts.

Yup pretty much this, Pretty sure that it would take quite a few things to go wrong with the Wild. For Suter to ask for a trade and i doubt that happens quite yet.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Wouldn't mind having a defensemen like Ryan Suter on the flyers to mentor the younger kids coming up from juniors/AHL, but the flyers don't have the cap space nor would the flyers be willing to part with any of their younger defenseman, or any other assets to get Ryan Suter from Minnesota.

Plus Suter has a NMC, and is coming off a career year. Suter is also Minnesota's best defenseman, so i can't see the Wild even wanting to trade Ryan Suter at this time as it would leave a gaping hole in their defense.

Ryan Suter will probably end up retiring as a member of the Minnesota Wild when his career is finished.

 

[mouser]

There's a little bit of debate about whether these contracts are subject to recapture penalties, since that didn't become part of the CBA until after the contracts were signed.

There's no debate about it. The CBA explicitly states that the recapture penalty applies retroactively to contracts that were signed before the current CBA came into effect.

Look no further then Kovalchuk and Richards. Both of whom signed before the 2012-13 CBA and have had recapture penalties applied.

 

[rynryn]

I honestly don't know why Nash fans aren't/weren't more pissed at Weber for that deal he made. Haysoos. Since y'all loved Weber more why not feel gratitude because had the Preds matched MIN's offer Weber would have been gone or you would have been really hurting for cap flexibility.

So cheer!

 

[ThatGuy22]

I could see him wanting out honestly. He wants to much ice time for himself, more than hes getting and we need more for the other guys. What teams would be interested in acquiring him?

Non-sense. All of this. He's got all the ice time in the world, maybe BB changes that. Maybe he doesn't. So he certainly isn't wanting for it at this point. Given that he's the Owner's BFF and came to the Wild to be near home zero chance he is looking to move.

 

[ThatGuy22]

There's a little bit of debate about whether these contracts are subject to recapture penalties, since that didn't become part of the CBA until after the contracts were signed.

No debate at all. Recapture penalties are only applicable on contracts over 8 years. You can no longer sign contracts over 8 years. The rule is meant to punish theses type of contracts, only contracts signed the previous CBA.

 

[KingTux]

Even at 40 years old, Suter is likely to be still a reliable top 4 guy. His cardio is simply inhuman and he plays a cerebral game, which tend to last longer than any kind of defenseman. It there's a guy worth keeping for a while, at a high cap, its Ryan Suter.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Suter being traded i offer Muzzin 1st in 17 and Pearson With him and Drew game over imo

 

[Drew4u]

I don't think this Suter has as much value as some people think he has. His contract is honestly terrible. 7.5 until he's 40... He did have one of his best seasons last year but he will get worse. Unless minesota retains some money, it will be hard to trade him. No contenders can afford him, and I'm pretty sure every other team won't want him. In a few years from now he will be considered very overpaid, and it will be impossible to trade him for assets.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don't think this Suter has as much value as some people think he has. His contract is honestly terrible. 7.5 until he's 40... He did have one of his best seasons last year but he will get worse. Unless minesota retains some money, it will be hard to trade him. No contenders can afford him, and I'm pretty sure every other team won't want him. In a few years from now he will be considered very overpaid, and it will be impossible to trade him for assets.

Yah, because it's not like there has ever been a dman like Suter who has been effective into his mid to late 30's right? Oh and it's also not like there is a salary cap that goes up every year either right?

 

[Go Wings]

Actually he was considering signing with Detroit, Until his Wife and Heatly convinced him to sign with Minnesota along with Parise.

Yes I remember. But Holland has weighed the team down with ****** contracts see Helm and Ericsson for example. So they just dont have the space for Suter let alone the price it would take to get him.

Suter should have signed with Detroit instead of the Mild. Ah well.

 

[DJN21]

This thread really hasn't addressed a key question...given all of the highlighted negatives to squirming suter...what does minny expect in return...given those negatives...

 

[57special]

This thread really hasn't addressed a key question...given all of the highlighted negatives to squirming suter...what does minny expect in return...given those negatives...

I dunno what is a top 10 #1D worth? " all those negatives"...really...

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I dunno what is a top 10 #1D worth? " all those negatives"...really...

I think he was being sarcastic dude.