Prospect Info: Ryan Poehling Part 4 (No MB talk)

[Sorinth]

I'm not talking about right now, or in the playoff if we make em. I'm talking about if Peohling reaches his potential of being a good 2way 2-3C. If it works out, I would try Domi on the wing. If his production decreases significantly, I'd leave him down the middle; if it stay the same, why not use him on the wing so he can focus on his strenght, scoring points. Lots of "if", but that's what I would try in the near future.

Well you responded to a post I made about to someone talking specifically about the playoffs this year.

But even if Poehling becomes a good 2way 2-3C, it still nonsensical to move a guy whose arguably a 1B and maybe more to the wing. If Kotkaniemi is a #1 center, and Domi is a 1B center, then using those two as our centers is the best option unless Danault or Poehling are become more then 1B centers.

Put him on the wing and like most players they'll produce less. The focus on offence at wing failed miserably with Galchenyuk, Eller and pretty much every other player it was tried with. If they can handle being a center they'll be more productive there.

 

[1909]

Well you responded to a post I made about to someone talking specifically about the playoffs this year.

But even if Poehling becomes a good 2way 2-3C, it still nonsensical to move a guy whose arguably a 1B and maybe more to the wing. If Kotkaniemi is a #1 center, and Domi is a 1B center, then using those two as our centers is the best option unless Danault or Poehling are become more then 1B centers.

Put him on the wing and like most players they'll produce less. The focus on offence at wing failed miserably with Galchenyuk, Eller and pretty much every other player it was tried with. If they can handle being a center they'll be more productive there.

Well you responded to a post I made about to someone talking specifically about the playoffs this year.

But even if Poehling becomes a good 2way 2-3C, it still nonsensical to move a guy whose arguably a 1B and maybe more to the wing. If Kotkaniemi is a #1 center, and Domi is a 1B center, then using those two as our centers is the best option unless Danault or Poehling are become more then 1B centers.

Put him on the wing and like most players they'll produce less. The focus on offence at wing failed miserably with Galchenyuk, Eller and pretty much every other player it was tried with. If they can handle being a center they'll be more productive there.

He seems to have finally understand in Arizona that he is a winger, indeed.

 

[calder candidate]

Kane is a better player at RW than he is at center, Quenneville realized that after a bunch of games.

When a player finds his chair, thats where he should stay until a better player comes along.

I’m pretty sure that the player that replaced Kane isn’t better than Kane, but having X play center and Kane on the right wing able CHI to be better overall... Domi is great player but he isn’t any less on the wing and doesn’t bring extra has a center. Danault get all the tough match up + he wins face off that is his chair. Poehling might not be ready but I can’t understand why you think moving thing moving Domi to the wing would hurt us more than moving Danault to the wing...
i guess will have to agree to disagree

 

[HuGo Sham]

I'm anxious to see this kid for a playoff push for the simple reason that we don't have anyone with size who can skate and play a possession game - outside of Armia right now - and Joel has zero O skill set. There's a reason claude plays him on PP and that's because he's a puck-winner who also wins board battles. We have terrific gritty water bugs in shaw, byron, tally, domi...but none have the size necessary to hold possession along the walls. KK one day but he's 20 pounds lighter than poehling right now. we can use this kid asap

 

[calder candidate]

There is a 1% difference in faceoff percentage. So if one guy is bad so is the other. If faceoffs actually matter then Kotkaniemi's age is irrelevant, since what matters is whether he actually wins them or not. Kotkaniemi will get better with experience, but the same is true for Domi, this is his first year at center so as he gains experience he'll improve. Also since experience does matter chances are Poehling won't be great at faceoffs to start with in the NHL either.

It doesn't seem like you actually care about faceoffs, you just bring it up in Domi's case because you think it supports you're argument.

Domi was a center in junior and he play some C with Arizona, yes he will still improve, but so will KK... Domi is offensive production has more to do with is move from Arz to Mtl than is move from wing to Center.
If KK and Domi are equal in the face off circle (+1% for KK) it is safe to assume that Domi is definitely a lot better than at least 6 of Gallagher, Tatar, Drouin, Armia, Byron, Lehkonen, Shaw, so at some point replacing Domi by KK and have a other center step in will be of a smaller lost than the gain by the trickle down effect of moving Domi to winger on the top line

 

[Sorinth]

Domi was a center in junior and he play some C with Arizona, yes he will still improve, but so will KK... Domi is offensive production has more to do with is move from Arz to Mtl than is move from wing to Center.
If KK and Domi are equal in the face off circle (+1% for KK) it is safe to assume that Domi is definitely a lot better than at least 6 of Gallagher, Tatar, Drouin, Armia, Byron, Lehkonen, Shaw, so at some point replacing Domi by KK and have a other center step in will be of a smaller lost than the gain by the trickle down effect of moving Domi to winger on the top line

It's very naive to say his production is based purely on moving from Arizona to Montreal. Somehow I doubt you'd support the claim that Galchenyuk's production is being hindered in Arizona and he's really a 70 point player.

As for KK replacing Domi, sure if KK is better he'll become the teams #1 C, but why would that mean Domi moving to wing. Why wouldn't Domi simply move to being the team's second line center?

 

[Sorinth]

He seems to have finally understand in Arizona that he is a winger, indeed.

If the reason Domi was only a 50 point player was because Arizona sucks then Galchenyuk's current 50 point production means he too would be a 70 point player if he was in Montreal and we played him as 1st line center just like Domi right?

 

[Mrb1p]

If the reason Domi was only a 50 point player was because Arizona sucks then Galchenyuk's current 50 point production means he too would be a 70 point player if he was in Montreal and we played him as 1st line center just like Domi right?

Dont confuse them like that

 

[The Great Weal]

He should be the first guy to step in if a forward gets injured in the playoffs.

 

[Habssince89]

I think we should look at like like this:

-Domi certainly can play wing
-Poehling would have to push Domi to wing, it wouldn't be forced, which means it would be a sure move and a good problem to have
-Domi would then be playing with a player better than him at C

 

[Just Linda]

Nothing wrong with starting a player in the NHL on the wing or in a bottom 6 role, by the time KK and Poehling are ready to take over for Domi and Denault who knows what's gonna happen. A lot changes in 3 years, players progress and get hurt, trades happen etc.

These problems have a way of sorting themselves out.

 

[calder candidate]

It's very naive to say his production is based purely on moving from Arizona to Montreal. Somehow I doubt you'd support the claim that Galchenyuk's production is being hindered in Arizona and he's really a 70 point player.

As for KK replacing Domi, sure if KK is better he'll become the teams #1 C, but why would that mean Domi moving to wing. Why wouldn't Domi simply move to being the team's second line center?

I didn’t say it was purely because of the trade but it help that Domi wanted out and he was very motivated to move to a hockey market. Domi was creating a lot of chance in Arizona but the point just were there so there is some puck luck, he is also young 1 year oldler more experienced he is still progressing, I don’t think he is putting up these numbers playing C in ARZ... Galchenyuk production issue are more to do with is off ice issues than anything else, being in a non hockey market probably help him out, Pretty sure Galchenyuk also happy to be out of Mtl

The entier premise of moving Domi to the wing was based on Poehling being able to play #3C or #2C not just moving KK to #1C... since Poehling is more physically mature and probably more NHL ready than KK was this years and that fact that he isn’t small or unidimensional offensive player I don’t think it is that crazy to think that could play this year or next year but it would be surprising that he Be better than Domi, KK or Danault, I wouldn’t want them to play on the wing on a 3rd line and Moving Danault to the wing doesn’t really improve any of are top 3 lines because he would move from 3rd line center to 3rd line winger. Domi would basically move everyone down 1 spot on he wing which is would be some improvements.

 

[calder candidate]

I think we should look at like like this:

-Domi certainly can play wing
-Poehling would have to push Domi to wing, it wouldn't be forced, which means it would be a sure move and a good problem to have
-Domi would then be playing with a player better than him at C

Hallelujah!

 

[Sorinth]

I didn’t say it was purely because of the trade but it help that Domi wanted out and he was very motivated to move to a hockey market. Domi was creating a lot of chance in Arizona but the point just were there so there is some puck luck, he is also young 1 year oldler more experienced he is still progressing, I don’t think he is putting up these numbers playing C in ARZ... Galchenyuk production issue are more to do with is off ice issues than anything else, being in a non hockey market probably help him out, Pretty sure Galchenyuk also happy to be out of Mtl

It's hypocritical to think Domi's production was hurt in Arizona but Galchenyuk's isn't.

The entier premise of moving Domi to the wing was based on Poehling being able to play #3C or #2C not just moving KK to #1C... since Poehling is more physically mature and probably more NHL ready than KK was this years and that fact that he isn’t small or unidimensional offensive player I don’t think it is that crazy to think that could play this year or next year but it would be surprising that he Be better than Domi, KK or Danault, I wouldn’t want them to play on the wing on a 3rd line and Moving Danault to the wing doesn’t really improve any of are top 3 lines because he would move from 3rd line center to 3rd line winger. Domi would basically move everyone down 1 spot on he wing which is would be some improvements.

The only reason you would move him to wing is if you had two better centers and he'd be wasted on the 3rd line. By saying Poehling might be a #3 or #2 guy it's pretty obvious that you think Domi is better center. So again it makes no sense to move Domi to wing because of Poehling.

 

[calder candidate]

Seem you keep twist what l’m Saying... Never said He wasn’t Galchenyuk would surely be putting up more pts on a better team but with what happen in Montreal playing in a no hockey market should be good for him... also it is possible that Domi gain more going to Montreal than Galchenyuk loses going to Arz... There 2 different players the move won’t have the exact same affect on them.

Yes I would only move him if I had 2 other center (we already have 1 in KK ) but they don’t have to be better then him...The domino effect just have to make us a better team... if it doesn’t improve the team I wouldn’t do it, not sure why you think I try to do something regardless of a negative outcome... But right now I think both Danault and KK are already almost better or equal to him at center(doesn’t take away from Domi being the best player on the entier team)... Danault has 12 less point and get no PP and the get the biggest match up but still give up less scoring chances and play on the PK (Domi has 10pts on the PP) Team never seem to be in trouble when KK on the ice and he has been playing with 3 liner all year and he just keep improving, he even started receiving a bigger role in the PP. Both are better face off circle both have better turn over ratio... Dormi is a great player but there no reason to think he would be less effective on the wing especially if it mean that everyone including him self are playing with better line mate.

 

[Habs4Life]

If the reason Domi was only a 50 point player was because Arizona sucks then Galchenyuk's current 50 point production means he too would be a 70 point player if he was in Montreal and we played him as 1st line center just like Domi right?

True, but the biggest difference between Domi and Galchenyuk, is that Domi actually back checks, brings more intensity and speed.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Poehling. Poehling. Is there a Poehling present? Paging Mr. Poehling.

 

[Kriss E]

True, but the biggest difference between Domi and Galchenyuk, is that Domi actually back checks, brings more intensity and speed.

Did Drouin get the memo?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Poehling. Poehling. Is there a Poehling present? Paging Mr. Poehling.

Nope. All threads are also threads to talk about how shitty Galchenyuk is.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Nope. All threads are also threads to talk about how ****ty Galchenyuk is.

Better than PK v Weber!

 

[NotProkofievian]

Better than PK v Weber!

Debatable. In fact, that's what this thread is now about. To be clear, mods, we're not debating PK vs. Weber. We're debating the merits of having that debate.

 

[Belial]

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Great speaker, seems really mature and a real competitor.

Let's just hope he decides to sign with Mtl if he stays in the NCAA... and not go with an American team

 

[Tyson]

Great speaker, seems really mature and a real competitor.

Let's just hope he decides to sign with Mtl if he stays in the NCAA... and not go with an American team

Always the risk when drafting a NCAA bound player. There is no guarantee he even signs with the Habs

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Always the risk when drafting a NCAA bound player. There is no guarantee he even signs with the Habs

I know and it scares me, he seems like a real winner but also I have the feeling he wants to play in the US.