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Player Discussion Ryan McDonagh

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Who else is going to be the d-man on the PP for the 4-1?

Girardi? No.

Staal? No.

Klein? No.

Holden? Maybe

Skjei? Probably shouldn't

Clendening? Should be

I mean, it's not like this team has a lot of blueliners who can be useful on the PP...

Out of the 7 D we have, McDonagh is one of the better options for the time being.
 
Irishguy42 said:
...at that metric.

Please don't actually think that P/60 is the defining metric for ranking defensemen in the league.
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In the league, no, but I think it's highly agreeable that McDonagh is a below average 1D on the powerplay but better than the vast majority of defensemen in general. That was on the PP, I should have clarified.

As for "McDonagh scoops up secondary assists"

1)No he doesn't as has been pointed out
2)Secondary assists count
3)Brady Skjei who is apparently a better option has a resounding ZERO career PP primary assists.
 
Machinehead said:
In the league, no, but I think it's highly agreeable that McDonagh is a below average 1D on the powerplay but better than the vast majority of defensemen in general. That was on the PP, I should have clarified.

As for "McDonagh scoops up secondary assists"

1)No he doesn't as has been pointed out
2)Secondary assists count
3)Brady Skjei who is apparently a better option has a resounding ZERO career PP primary assists.
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I see very little in mcd's pp point repetriore that brady skjei couldnt do. I mean, I see very little that mcd does that is special.

Brady skjei doesn't get a chance on the pp point. Again, I've seen nothing from mcd that skjei couldn't do as well or better. Again speaking specifically about the pp point.

Better options continue to be clendo, brady and holden over mcd. Yet mcd gets the majority of pp time.

Av is making a mistake imo. The capt does his best work 5v5 and needs to be fresh in 3rd periods.

Playing him on the pp highlights his weaknesses and negates his strengths.
 
offdacrossbar said:
I see very little in mcd's pp point repetriore that brady skjei couldnt do. I mean, I see very little that mcd does that is special.

Brady skjei doesn't get a chance on the pp point. Again, I've seen nothing from mcd that skjei couldn't do as well or better. Again speaking specifically about the pp point.

Better options continue to be clendo, brady and holden over mcd. Yet mcd gets the majority of pp time.

Av is making a mistake imo. The capt does his best work 5v5 and needs to be fresh in 3rd periods.

Playing him on the pp highlights his weaknesses and negates his strengths.
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Skjei has a worse shot, he's not a better skater, he doesn't pass the puck better, he has less experience playing the PP, he has a worse hockey IQ. What is he better at?

I'm no fan of McDonagh on the PP, I'd probably run Clendening on PP1 and Holden on PP2. If another defender goes on the PP, I think it should be McDonagh. If Clendening comes out of the lineup, move Holden up to PP1 and McDonagh to PP2.
 
I don't know where everyone gets this idea that Skjei has offensive potential.

He had 17 points in 76 games for the University of Minnesota. 17 points in his college career. For ****s sake I'd go so far as to call him a defensive defenseman.

To be fair, McDonagh wasn't an offensive player until getting to the NHL, but in college 17 points was a season for him.
 
Machinehead said:
I don't know where everyone gets this idea that Skjei has offensive potential.

He had 17 points in 76 games for the University of Minnesota. 17 points in his college career. For ****s sake I'd go so far as to call him a defensive defenseman.

To be fair, McDonagh wasn't an offensive player until getting to the NHL, but in college 17 points was a season for him.
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I feel like Skjei having offensive potential is a narrative that was touted by Sam and Joe when he first arrived on the team and something that for some reason has just stuck. TBH, I don't really think he's even shown too many flashes of being an offensive defenseman since he's been here. I remember being more impressed by Marc Staal's offensive game early on then I am with Skjei. Maybe some of that is not getting the PP time but he's not really pushing the play at 5v5 either.

Which leads to my next point - who is the #1 PP D on this team if not McDonagh? Sure, maybe he doesn't fill that role on other teams in the league but it certainly makes sense for him to do it on this roster, especially with Yandle gone.

Not to mention that this team's PP (with McDonagh on it all season) is actually the last thing we need to worry about right now.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Skjei has a worse shot, he's not a better skater, he doesn't pass the puck better, he has less experience playing the PP, he has a worse hockey IQ. What is he better at?

I'm no fan of McDonagh on the PP, I'd probably run Clendening on PP1 and Holden on PP2. If another defender goes on the PP, I think it should be McDonagh. If Clendening comes out of the lineup, move Holden up to PP1 and McDonagh to PP2.
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as to your points.

1. no one has a worse shot than does mcd.

2. skjei's skating is top notch.

3. hes as good a pasers as is mcd- who isnt great btw.

4. he clearly has less experience than does mcd. i agree. but so does clendo, yet theres much drooling and touching of body parts over this guy playing the pp point. me included :laugh:

5. the hockey iq thing ? ugh, not so sure. mcd has shown a consistent ability to shoot the wrong shot at the wrong time and always while doing so taking way too much time delivering said bad shot and thus having shots blocked, deflected, tipped or other wise just missing the net ( and no, he isnt missing on purpose and its not a set play, so please stop)... :shakehead

does his hockey iq some how disappear when we have 1 extra skater than the other team ?

again, as a disclaimer, im speaking only of the powerplay here. 5v5 hes a top pair guy and always has been. hes our best overall defender and one of the best in the league.

on the pp point, hes brutal.
 
Skjei is an awful passer. That and his recent brain dead defensive positioning have made me very disappointed in him lately.
 
In what world is Brady Skjei a better PP pointman option?

So he could skate it into the corner with his head down for 2 mins?
 
darko said:
5 primary, 4 secondary.
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my take.

mcd is a below average point producer on the pp and should not be the #1 point man on our pp. period.


517 total games played inc playoffs.

12 total pp goals. twelve. 517 games.

45 assists. 517 games.

57 total pp points. 517 games.

thats @ 1 PP point for every 9 games played.

i rest my case.
 
Kahuna Nanu said:
if you actually think brady skjei is a better pp option than mcdonagh i dont know what to say to you
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power play point in this order.

clendo
holden
mcd
skjei

skjei not better. just not that much, if at all, worse.

mcd isnt productive enough to play the majority those pp minutes. hes more effective getting top line assignments 5v5.
 
i agree that clendening should be on pp 1 over mcd. thats basically his specialty and av of course being the dumbass that he is isnt putting him the spot he should be in.
 
Yeah, so McDonagh is tied for 5th in the league this season at primary powerplay assists at 5v4 with 5. Hedman leads the league with 8, Werenski/Markov have 7, Seabrook/Risto have 6, and then Doughty/Schutlz/Beaulieu/McDonagh/Vatanen/Krug have 5. Brady Skjei has 3 powerplay assists that are all secondary. Neither Holden, nor Clendeing have a primary powerplay assists. Clendo has 1 goal, and Holden has 2.

Edit: Clendening has one primary assist at 5v3.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Yeah, so McDonagh is tied for 5th in the league this season at primary powerplay assists at 5v4 with 5. Hedman leads the league with 8, Werenski/Markov have 7, Seabrook/Risto have 6, and then Doughty/Schutlz/Beaulieu/McDonagh/Vatanen/Krug have 5. Brady Skjei has 3 powerplay assists that are all secondary. Neither Holden, nor Clendeing have a primary powerplay assists. Clendo has 1 goal, and Holden has 2.

Edit: Clendening has one primary assist at 5v3.
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are you able to check primary pp assists per 60?

frankly i think clendo would have similar assist numbers if he was given as much pp time as mcd
 
Kahuna Nanu said:
are you able to check primary pp assists per 60?

frankly i think clendo would have similar assist numbers if he was given as much pp time as mcd
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Here ya go:

Klein leads the team in FirstA/60 with 22.64 (he has one primary assists in 2:39 of pp time)

McDonagh is next with 2.08 FirstA/60. Weirdly, stats.hockeyanalysis.com doesn't have Clendening listed as having a primary assist? Just doing the rough math, Clendo's primaryA/60 would be 2.57 if you count one of those assists as primary.

I'm not saying to not play Clendening by the way, but it's kinda laughable to just make it seem like McDonagh is some joe schmo shmuck at running the point on a powerplay. Zibanejad needs to be at the left circle, Buch/Stepan have to be in the middle, Pirri has to be on the right, and Kreider/Nash/Miller need to be in front of the net.
 
We have the 6th best PP in the league right now.

Once again, HFNYR fails to realize what is actually wrong with the team, and clings to these ridiculous narratives they come up with every year.

This board specializes in missing the forest for the trees.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Here ya go:

Klein leads the team in FirstA/60 with 22.64 (he has one primary assists in 2:39 of pp time)

McDonagh is next with 2.08 FirstA/60. Weirdly, stats.hockeyanalysis.com doesn't have Clendening listed as having a primary assist? Just doing the rough math, Clendo's primaryA/60 would be 2.57 if you count one of those assists as primary.

I'm not saying to not play Clendening by the way, but it's kinda laughable to just make it seem like McDonagh is some joe schmo shmuck at running the point on a powerplay. Zibanejad needs to be at the left circle, Buch/Stepan have to be in the middle, Pirri has to be on the right, and Kreider/Nash/Miller need to be in front of the net.
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thanks.

yah i dont have a problem with mcd on the pp at all. he isnt my first choice over clendo but clearly he is contributing at a nice pace. just wish he had a better shot.
 
eyjee said:
We have the 6th best PP in the league right now.

Once again, HFNYR fails to realize what is actually wrong with the team, and clings to these ridiculous narratives they come up with every year.

This board specializes in missing the forest for the trees.
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This.
 
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