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GAGLine said:
The reason you see that so much is because the number of players in the league who have both skill and size/snarl are seriously limited. Every team in the league would love to have a physically imposing dman who can shut down the opposition while putting up good points. In the absence of that, teams make due with what they have. That often means sticking an offensive-minded dman together with a more stay-at-home type to hopefully create a pairing that is more than the sum of its parts.
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Yep but I am not sure disregarding skill in favor of size/snarl really helps teams win or be better defensively.

The balance that you speak of is certainly something as an older fan I can wrap my head around, that is basically how D pairs operated when I first started watching hockey, but how much does it work in today's NHL? I think that is something teams are still figuring out.

Like I said, physicality and snarl are great... but only if they help you be a good defenseman.
 
I'll say this, there is only one puck on the ice. So having a pairing of guys who both need the puck normally doesn't work well. A guy like Lindgren who keeps the game simple, moves the puck effectively and who should excel at puck retrieval is the type of player who augments a player who needs the puck on their stick to be their most effective well.

It's less about physical play, that's a bonus of Lindgren's game and something the team lacks in general. It's more about how he plays the game and how effective he is at it.

At forward, a guy like Kreider is similar. He shouldn't be the driver of his line, but give him a puck distributor to play with and he can be damn effective and augment the other guys skills.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I'll say this, there is only one puck on the ice. So having a pairing of guys who both need the puck normally doesn't work well. A guy like Lindgren who keeps the game simple, moves the puck effectively and who should excel at puck retrieval is the type of player who augments a player who needs the puck on their stick to be their most effective well.

It's less about physical play, that's a bonus of Lindgren's game and something the team lacks in general. It's more about how he plays the game and how effective he is at it.

At forward, a guy like Kreider is similar. He shouldn't be the driver of his line, but give him a puck distributor to play with and he can be damn effective and augment the other guys skills.
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I could see the argument about having too many playmakers or shooters on a forward line.

But having two defensemen who can make a good first pass out of our zone or a smart play in the oppositions zone? That will never ever ever ever be a bad thing. And it will always always always be better than having to watch a physical defenseman get stuck in his own zone for shifts at a time because he can't get the puck out and then be hailed as a hero for it.

(Not that this is Lindgren, just speaking about defensive pair construction in general)
 
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Found is somewhat telling that it is Lindgren who is out there to protect the lead and in crucial moments. I think, think mind you, that he was forced his way in and is going to make it very difficult to take himself out. He provides not only an element that others do not, but also is forcing the coaching staff to evaluate him in a different light. For such a young kid to be get the trust from coaching staff to protect the lead both at ES and PK so late in the game counts for something.

I said it before and I will continue to pound the table, a player like this is not the flashiest, but can bring stability to an entire defense. Very much like (and in no way am I likening him) an Adam Foote used to do for those Avs teams.
 
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True Blue said:
Found is somewhat telling that it is Lindgren who is out there to protect the lead and in crucial moments. I think, think mind you, that he was forced his way in and is going to make it very difficult to take himself out. He provides not only an element that others do not, but also is forcing the coaching staff to evaluate him in a different light. For such a young kid to be get the trust from coaching staff to protect the lead both at ES and PK so late in the game counts for something.

I said it before and I will continue to pound the table, a player like this is not the flashiest, but can bring stability to an entire defense. Very much like (and in no way am I likening him) an Adam Foote used to do for those Avs teams.
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He might not have flashy stats (points and the other) but he is amazingly effective and useful. I've always liked the guy. Still see room to improve his physical game.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
He might not have flashy stats (points and the other) but he is amazingly effective and useful. I've always liked the guy. Still see room to improve his physical game.
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Tons of room to grow. I made the comparison to Foote as far as what he provided to those great Avs teams. But, and this will certainly make the stat heads freak out, not unlike a very young Daniel Girardi.
 
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Still like my LH bieksa comp.

Not the biggest dude but tough and makes the right play more often than not. Don’t know if the offense ever gets to that level but the tools are there for him to be at least respectable.

I’m a fan and was really happy when he was a part of the Nash trade. I think at the very least, he’s a bottom pairing guy who can kill penalties and not kill your offense.
 
Lindgren and Fox are reminding me of the McDonagh and Sauer pairing. Amazingly good and steady at such young ages and basically inexperienced players.

Lindgren allows Fox to do his thing and Lindgren has some fairly strong hockey sense on when to jump into the play. If I was the Rangers, a player that I'd show him video of is Travis Dermott. He may not have the offensive capabilities of him, but it seems like they are similar on the skill level aspect. Same body type and IQ.
 
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True Blue said:
Tons of room to grow. I made the comparison to Foote as far as what he provided to those great Avs teams. But, and this will certainly make the stat heads freak out, not unlike a very young Daniel Girardi.
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Would always take young / prime Girardi. Once his body started to break down ... not so much. But he was great for us many years.
 
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Pleased to see Lindgren enjoying success this early.

He’s never been the prospect with flashiest skill set, or highest upside. But I’ve always found he reminded me of the type of player that would’ve been right at home on those emerging Nordiques/Avalanche teams of the mid 1990s.
 
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I’m a fan. He’s an old school style D with a modern twist. A nice compliment to our smaller puck movers.

Could see him as a mainstay on the 2nd/3rd pair for awhile. He already has chemistry with Fox, and their playstyles mesh very well.
 
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True Blue said:
Tons of room to grow. I made the comparison to Foote as far as what he provided to those great Avs teams. But, and this will certainly make the stat heads freak out, not unlike a very young Daniel Girardi.
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I think Lindgren has much more of edge to his game than G. He can be downright nasty. Girardi was a tough motherf***er, but he wasn’t really nasty to play against.
 
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I just love that ryan is setting the bar high...if he's not part of our long term future blueline cause other guys coming are even better OH BABY!
 
Edge said:
Pleased to see Lindgren enjoying success this early.

He’s never been the prospect with flashiest skill set, or highest upside. But I’ve always found he reminded me of the type of player that would’ve been right at home on those emerging Nordiques/Avalanche teams of the mid 1990s.
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The Avs teams made me think of Foote. Not as far as comparing player to player, but rather what Foote's steadying influence meant for the rest of the defensive core.
 
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MikaIsGod said:
I think Lindgren has much more of edge to his game than G. He can be downright nasty. Girardi was a tough mother****er, but he wasn’t really nasty to play against.
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Until I see the nastiness emerge on a regular level, I cannot make that claim. I know that it is there and have seen flashes, but not regularly enough. At least not in my view.

Again, my favorite thing about Lindgren is that he proactively defends the front of the net (no letting the opposition settle in at all) as opposed to reactively (after the players arrive). And that does not succeed he battles no matter who you are (see what happened with him and Malkin).
 
is it possible that this defense is becoming so talented and young that my least favorite players right now are jake and brady ?

i mean fox and lindy and libor and tony. those 4 are all so young and seem to be getting better each game.

is that possible

oh wait, no my bad.

staal....
 
Edge said:
Pleased to see Lindgren enjoying success this early.

He’s never been the prospect with flashiest skill set, or highest upside. But I’ve always found he reminded me of the type of player that would’ve been right at home on those emerging Nordiques/Avalanche teams of the mid 1990s.
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I always felt Lindgren would be the best player from that trade deadline, I can't tell if that is good or bad with what they acquired. like I think Howden will be like his brother and out of the league in 3-6 years. I hope I am wrong about that
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Who did we trade for him Nash? What a home run. We also got a pick in that trade.
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we traded Nash for Lindgren, Spooner, Beleskey, 2018 1st and 2019 7th...then turned Spooner into Strome. packaged that 1st with the 2nd we got from NJ for Grabner to get K'Andre Miller. And I believe the 7th was traded for the 2018 7th we used to pick Riley Hughes

considering that nash retired after that season...yeah thats a decent return lol
 
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Leetch3 said:
we traded Nash for Lindgren, Spooner, Beleskey, 2018 1st and 2019 7th...then turned Spooner into Strome. packaged that 1st with the 2nd we got from NJ for Grabner to get K'Andre Miller. And I believe the 7th was traded for the 2018 7th we used to pick Riley Hughes

considering that nash retired after that season...yeah thats a decent return lol
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when put that way, home run. period.
 
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