Ryan Johansen
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He is a solid 1c, and that's amazing given his age, but seriously most teams have a 1c of his skill level, and some have 2.
His numbers relative to other NHL centers:
24th in points (Dubinsky is 43rd)
9th in goals (Arty is 44th)
44th in assists (Dubinsky is 33rd)
66th in face offs (Dubinsky is 38th)
What impresses about Joahnasen is his age, the numbers are good, but nothing spectacular, and he is clearly our most productive Center.
Yeah, Johansen is really good, but he looks better to us than he probably is, because of our complete lack of players like him.
I agree. I think he'd be 2nd line on more teams than he'd be 1st on.
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You look just at the points and dismiss very important moment. How many of those centers are facing toughest quality of competition on their teams? Joey is 2nd to Backes among all NHL 1st line centers in that department (3rd if you think that Bozak is a 1st line center):
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
If you use full season numbers (including the time before he started breaking out), and ignore the rest of his game to focus exclusively on points, then you're barely correct that most teams have a guy who scores at or near that level.
In the last 26 games, he has 24 points. There are 9 or 10 centers who score at that rate, San Jose and Pittsburgh each have 2, leaving by far most teams with 0.
You are using a 3rd line statistic to compare 1st line centers? We don't really have a 1st line, functionally, so I agree with you that Johansen does take alot of hard 5-5 shifts, and he is our top center imo (all things considered), but if we had a "shutdown line" I tend to think Dubinsky would center such a line. Short handed ice time backs me up here as well.
Joey's great, maybe the best center we've ever had, but any good team has a center at least as good as him is my point. Lets hope his game has alot of growing yet to do.
Strength of competition is a variable that affects all players, I don't know why you want to dismiss it as a "3rd line statistic". Production is decently elastic to strength of competition, so give Johansen easier opponents and his production will go up.
I didn't know that quality of competition is a 3rd line stat.
You compared Joey's offensive production to the other centers and I think that was unfair to Joey since you don't compare their defensive responsibilities as well.
Some teams are using their top-line centers against another team's top lines, some teams don't.
Boston, LA, Pittsburgh, St.Louis, Detroit and Chicago do it. I mean the best NHL teams. Crosby, Toews, Richards/Kopitar, Krejci/Bergeron - all of them are facing toughest quality of competition among their teams centers. That's why I mentioned Stanley Cup winning teams in my previous post.
Philly, Ottawa, Edmonton, NYI, SanJose don't do it. Giroux, RNH, Tavares and Thornton don't play against another teams top lines. Maybe that's one of the reasons they couldn't make it past 2nd round in the playoffs?
I found this fact interesting a long time ago. Only the teams with great 2-way centers have won the Cup recently.
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yes, one of the highlights of the game for me, second only to Mckenzies goal imo.
Dubinsky's line carried the game though.
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Agree, I watched him... he was all over the place... Can't get a point every game, gotta let the others score now and then...
Oh, and the shot by RJ was a dud... I could have done better, the entire right side of the net was open and he hit Emery's crest, he nailed the Flyer puck on his sweater.
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Agree, I watched him... he was all over the place... Can't get a point every game, gotta let the others score now and then...
Oh, and shot by RJ was a dud... I could have done better, the entire right side of the net was open and he hit Emery's crest, he nailed the Flyer puck on his sweater.
Given how Emery played, Im surprised it didn't go through him.
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One more example of a line (Johansen's line) not clicking tonight but other lines (the Mackenzie line was +2 and Dubi's line) carried the weight.
Against the Kings, Joey's line and Anisimov's line carried the weight.
When one or two lines don't step up, the other two do.
I thought Johansen played great last night. Has great control moving the puck past the blue line. Kid is/gonna be something special.
Robert
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Watch him hit the center of the blue line flying with the puck.. the guy can skate.. It's a defenseman’s worst nightmare if he gets over the line as his next move is often to the right attacking the net or a stop/spin around looking for the trailer... I love watching this guy play...
First post eh...
Johansen's Season, 2/4/14
Before this year, Ryan Johansen's career highs were:
9 goals, 12 assists, 21 points.
Currently, Joey has:
23g, 20a, 43 pts.
He has played in all 56 games, so far, and there are 26 games remaining. Can he reach 60 points (7 more goals, 10 more assists)? How high could he go, assuming continued good health?
Before this year, Ryan Johansen's career highs were:
9 goals, 12 assists, 21 points.
Currently, Joey has:
23g, 20a, 43 pts.
He has played in all 56 games, so far, and there are 26 games remaining. Can he reach 60 points (7 more goals, 10 more assists)? How high could he go, assuming continued good health?
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Not only is he having a great year, but so are a lot of the kids and other important CBJ players. Jenner is likely to get around 15 goals, Cam at around 25, Joey around 30, Foligno and Umberger around 25, and if Dubi and Anisimov get going they could both hit 20 as well.
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I just want to say how great it is to watch this kid develop into a stud after seeing so many of our prospects drafted around the same slot as him never reach their hoped-for potential. It's very refreshing.
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Johansen has really grown up this year. Hopefully he truly does realize the tough love from coach Richards was/is needed for him to become & continue to grow into the player he is/can be.
The biggest difference between the Howson/JK regimes isn't so much player movement, because JK hasn't really done all that much, but a clear message that the inmates were no longer running the asylum & that everyone had to earn their ice time.
The biggest difference between the Howson/JK regimes isn't so much player movement, because JK hasn't really done all that much, but a clear message that the inmates were no longer running the asylum & that everyone had to earn their ice time.
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