3.5 is Brassard money in 2009. The going rate for 70-point scoring young forwards is a bit higher now, especially with the cap going up. Hell, Bobrovsky's making 5.75 after "one good season".
Jarmo would be hung up on immediately at that price.
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3.5 is Brassard money in 2009. The going rate for 70-point scoring young forwards is a bit higher now, especially with the cap going up. Hell, Bobrovsky's making 5.75 after "one good season".
Jarmo would be hung up on immediately at that price.
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I may be mistaken, but wasn't Brassard on a very similar point rate during that season? Bobrovsky is different, he won goaltender of the year and had a competing offer from the KHL. He also had a very strong rookie season in Philly.
Right. My point is you can't equate contracts in 2009 with contracts in 2014. Take a look at any comparable player/age and they are all in the 5 mil range. Example - Evander Kane's career high is 57 points and he's making 5.2 million.
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Not sure if these are good players to compare him to but....
Couture- He went from having a cap hit to $816,667 to $2.875 Million. His new contract kicks in next season at $6 million.
So should Johansen's next contract be around $3 million(sign him for 2 years). Then if he keeps it up, give him around $6 million in his next contract?
Voracek cap is $4.25 Million
Skinner went from $900,000 to $5.725 Mil
Seguin makes $5.75 Mil
Eberle and Hall now makes $6 Mil each
I guess with the cap going up, hard to say but which forward on the team should be making(cap hit) the most?
Horton would be the highest paid forward next year at $5.3(cap hit). With all these young guys(Eb,Seguin,Hall, etc) making big money, should Johansen make more then Horton?
Does Jarmo give him big money off the bat for long term(7 to 8 years) or do we do what SJ did? Give him a raise, make him keep up his play, then give him a big pay day?
Couture- He went from having a cap hit to $816,667 to $2.875 Million. His new contract kicks in next season at $6 million.
So should Johansen's next contract be around $3 million(sign him for 2 years). Then if he keeps it up, give him around $6 million in his next contract?
Voracek cap is $4.25 Million
Skinner went from $900,000 to $5.725 Mil
Seguin makes $5.75 Mil
Eberle and Hall now makes $6 Mil each
I guess with the cap going up, hard to say but which forward on the team should be making(cap hit) the most?
Horton would be the highest paid forward next year at $5.3(cap hit). With all these young guys(Eb,Seguin,Hall, etc) making big money, should Johansen make more then Horton?
Does Jarmo give him big money off the bat for long term(7 to 8 years) or do we do what SJ did? Give him a raise, make him keep up his play, then give him a big pay day?
The Eberle, Hall, Seguin, and Skinner deals are what you get when you go long term instead of the bridge contract. That's what I'm hoping we get with Johansen. You don't get that same deal if you wait a few years, and IF Johansen keeps up this point per game run, you won't be able to sign him for $8 million, let alone $6 million.
This is also influenced by the fact that the marginal benefit of the $80 millionth dollar the Jackets spend is going to be pretty low in the next few years, and if we are indeed going to be more of an impact team five years from now (I think so), then we should spend more now to save for that time.
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Johansen SEEMS like the kind of guy who isn't too worried about making the most money. I think we will be able to sign him to a really fair deal for both sides. It is tough to guess the average as that will depend on the years. My guess is between $5 and $6 million if it is a 5+ year deal and between $3 and $5 million if it is less. The lower the years, the lower the average salary, IMO.
Johansen's going to demand a lot more than 3 million next season.
We're probably looking at 6 million over 5-7 years or 4-5 million at 2-3. Which I can live with.
Sign him for 8 years at 6 mil. per. That gonna look like a steal in a couple years when the cap goes up.
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If I were a betting man, I would bet on something that allows the Jackets to negotiate 1 more contract with him as an RFA. I'd bet on 3 years 4.5 - 5.5 million per year.
I don't see it as an advantage to do another RFA deal. We would save money in the next two years and lose it on the backend.
For next year we're having a discussion over what to do with the extra money, Gaborik? Cammalleri? Nobody really likes any of those guys.
For the back years, when Johansen is 24-28, the Jackets could be contenders and able to sign big time help, but not if we're paying Johansen Getzlaf-money.
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They do it because:
JD has a history of doing exactly this in St. Louis
Johansen has 1/2 season of top line performance and hopefully will continue, but remember Brassard's 25 points in 31 games? He got that contract and never developed.
Many players sign a long term deal and stop improving. With Johansen's history, I think the Jackets will want to see him actually become an elite player before giving him a long term contract.
Finally, long term contracts can be a real problem. There's a long list of players who got them and became a drag on their team.
One of the big mistakes Scott Howson made was repeatedly giving out long term contracts to players in situations just like this. Do you still like the Mason, Brassard, Klesla, and Umberger contracts?
If not why repeat the same mistake?
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Mason's was a two-year contract at a salary that was hardly onerous ($2.9 mil). Klesla's was four year, but below market value for a second-pairing defenseman ($2.975 mil).
Brassard and Umberger....I understand the thinking, but can't defend those.
TaketheCannoli
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Oh I understand what he was thinking.
Mason's deal was for big money for a goalie who was wet behind the ears but had just won a Calder and was runner up for the Vezina. Whatever your perspective on Klesla's deal, Howson clearly decided it was a mistake, so he traded him for two pending free agents that he declined to even negotiate with. He dumped Rusty.
Brassard looked like he could finally become the #1 Center this team has desperately needed since their inception. Umberger was coming off a 20 goal season and was widely seen as a potential long term leader.
Not directed at you Mayor, but rather the tenor of the last few posts; Johansen has only proved he has potential to become an elite player. He is not an elite player yet. Let him prove it and if so, pay him as such. If the Jackets build a contender you never know, he may go all Michael Jordan on them and cut back his salary demands to help ice better teamates.
I think you're spot on. That raise is deserved but keeps him hungry (and not pressing to prove he's worth the big contract)
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I see both sides of this argument. I think the 6 for 6 camp has a good point that we lock him up now to avoid paying more down the road. But if we save say a mill a year for three years now, we could go the first three of the next at 7 and be even. If it costs 8 to resign him we're 3 mill down over six years but 1) we'll have a very proven #1 center and 2) the cap willl be high enough that it won't matter.
I think I line up in Cannoli's camp for a 3 yr deal and take some of the risk out of it.
Look at Bob, who was not delivering 5.5 mill performance before he was injured no matter what the fan boys say. Hopefully he will get back to form but if he doesn't won't everyone be glad we have an out after next year?
I think I line up in Cannoli's camp for a 3 yr deal and take some of the risk out of it.
Look at Bob, who was not delivering 5.5 mill performance before he was injured no matter what the fan boys say. Hopefully he will get back to form but if he doesn't won't everyone be glad we have an out after next year?
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Exactly my thoughts. We can either gamble to save big on a superstar or wait and see and pay market value.
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I'm not sure what it has to do with Ryan Johansen but I am always in the cannoli camp. It's been too long since I stopped in the North Market but I think the place is gone that I always got the cheese/chocolate cannoli.
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Mozart's has a new site on North High, just south of Morse, and Auddino's has had a shop for many years on Clara, just off 11th avenue, east of the Fairgrounds.
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Like I was talking about hockey and Johansen....sheeshh....have another cannoli!
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