Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[pete goegan]

If it does leak into training camp with a short term deal and he does end up being what we want him to be, which is a top line center in the NHL, its probably going to be very costly come UFA time. Whether that means in $$$'s or he leaves, question is is this organization willing to pay that top dollar amount

And if he signs a bridge contract and does not fulfill his potential, will a majority praise JD and Jarmo for wise budget management or blame them for not giving him what he wanted so he'd be happy and reach his peak? Not easy actually being the ones responsible for those decisions, glad I'm not in that position!

 

[EspenK]

If it does leak into training camp with a short term deal and he does end up being what we want him to be, which is a top line center in the NHL, its probably going to be very costly come UFA time. Whether that means in $$$'s or he leaves, question is is this organization willing to pay that top dollar amount

Well the good news is that with a short term contract he'll still be an RFA for the next contract although as a practical matter I think he'll have arbitration rights then so I'm guessing the next deal will be long term and big dollars if he lives up to potential. If he puts up 70+ pts the next two seasons I think his next deal is at least $8mm and that's if there aren't a lot more Kanes/Toews deals handed out and the cap doesn't rise ridiculously.

I still think the 2 year at up to $6 mill per is the way to go because basing the next deal on 3 years of super play is much more comforting than going 7 or 8 based on one year. Middle ground of say 5 years at the same 6 million is probably a good deal but I'd be nervous.

Very tough situation although I guess its a good one to have.

 

[Samkow]

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

#CBJ POHOP John Davidson, as told to @jrimercbj : “Jarmo is still working with Johansen’s camp. We’re a team that feels that if we have ...

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

"...players that earn it, we will certainly respond with appropriate contracts. We’re in a position here where we’re working with their ..."

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

"...camp, trying to figure out what exactly is the right thing to do. We like Ryan Johansen, obvoiusly. Who wouldn’t? But we’ve got to ..."

Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline

"...make sure. We have to be a responsible club regarding long-term contracts. If Ryan keeps the upward trend, he’s going to have a long ...


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"... very fruitful career. But we have to make sure we protect ourselves."

Reading between the lines...time to start edging towards the cliff. When the team starts, for lack of a better term, calling guys out in the media, it's never a good sign.

 

[Samkow]

 

[Fro]

was debating if that was the case or not myself...

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Reading between the lines...time to start edging towards the cliff. When the team starts, for lack of a better term, calling guys out in the media, it's never a good sign.

What are you talking about? This isn't anything new - it was reported the team wanted a bridge, the player wanted long term. POHOP JD confirming that.

I don't get the need for everyone to act so dramatic about this. Negotiations like this happen with teams every year.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

If it does leak into training camp with a short term deal and he does end up being what we want him to be, which is a top line center in the NHL, its probably going to be very costly come UFA time. Whether that means in $$$'s or he leaves, question is is this organization willing to pay that top dollar amount

A bridge contract would mean he is still RFA when it's time to do a new deal, cheese.

 

[Samkow]

What are you talking about? This isn't anything new - it was reported the team wanted a bridge, the player wanted long term. POHOP JD confirming that.

I don't get the need for everyone to act so dramatic about this. Negotiations like this happen with teams every year.

This team keeps things really under wraps. As mild as it is, the team taking to the press is a sign that things aren't going well. Remember how, late in the Nash saga, offers started getting leaked, almost certainly by Howson? Same principle. No news is probably better than some news in many cases.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I fail to see how that is calling anybody out..

 

[SuperGenius]

Reading between the lines...time to start edging towards the cliff. When the team starts, for lack of a better term, calling guys out in the media, it's never a good sign.

How's JD calling him out? Seems like he's just reiterating the club's stated position.

 

[Xoggz22]

Personally I don't think Joey has earned a long term deal yet. His improvement is impressive and last year was great but there are still flags. Also, I'm selfish and want the trajectory to continue upward so we will sign him long term after his "prove it" two year bridge deal.

Certainly the talent is there but I want to see more before paying the man like a top flight C. If the cap does continue to go up and we continue to win there should be no issue with a long term high $ deal. If he sulks and drags on a short term deal you can still move him based on "potential".

 

[pete goegan]

Personally I don't think Joey has earned a long term deal yet. His improvement is impressive and last year was great but there are still flags. Also, I'm selfish and want the trajectory to continue upward so we will sign him long term after his "prove it" two year bridge deal.

Certainly the talent is there but I want to see more before paying the man like a top flight C. If the cap does continue to go up and we continue to win there should be no issue with a long term high $ deal. If he sulks and drags on a short term deal you can still move him based on "potential".

That's pretty much where I am, too.

 

[Samkow]

How's JD calling him out? Seems like he's just reiterating the club's stated position.

You ever heard the club comment publicly on contract negotiations?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

You ever heard the club comment publicly on contract negotiations?

Yes actually. Last year, with the Bobrovsky contract.

 

[pete goegan]

You ever heard the club comment publicly on contract negotiations?

So, commenting on negotiations is calling him out? Sorry, I don't see it.

 

[Samkow]

Yes actually. Last year, with the Bobrovsky contract.

Link? I don't remember this. We got the Portzline stuff but...

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Link? I don't remember this. We got the Portzline stuff but...

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...akers/2013/06/bobrovsky-talks-not-moving.html

Asked if any progress was made with agent Paul Theofanous, Kekalainen said: "I wouldn't say that, no. It was pretty much the same stuff we went through last time (we talked)."

"(Theofanous) has earned the right to negotiate from a good position," Kekalainen said. "Sergei played very well this season. He just won the Vezina Trophy. But we still have to do the right thing for our franchise."

Sounds familiar, no?

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

This team keeps things really under wraps. As mild as it is, the team taking to the press is a sign that things aren't going well. Remember how, late in the Nash saga, offers started getting leaked, almost certainly by Howson? Same principle. No news is probably better than some news in many cases.

I agree that no news is good news, but this isn't news.

It was already reported the team was looking for a bridge deal, Jarmo already confirmed it after Diva said it in his comments. I see nothing to read into here.

Again, it's July.

 

[Jackets16]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...akers/2013/06/bobrovsky-talks-not-moving.html





Sounds familiar, no?

 

[db2011]

It's somewhat significant that this is Davidson talking now, not Jarmo. It makes me a little less comfortable.

 

[fox2usp]

It's somewhat significant that this is Davidson talking now, not Jarmo. It makes me a little less comfortable.

It happened to be who Rimer was interviewing at the time and who the question was asked to. You guys are getting too wrapped around the axle about this. If Joey wants to play in the NHL, he'll sign a bridge contract. Period. Everyone knows this. This isn't Joey's agent's first dance. He is well aware of this. All that is happening is posturing that happens during any tough negotiation, hoping you'll get more concessions from the other side. Everyone relax. Jeez.

 

[joshjoshjosh]

Being an ideologue and/or being cynical about Johansen's future is going to cost GMJK dearly in two years

 

[blahblah]

Reading between the lines...time to start edging towards the cliff. When the team starts, for lack of a better term, calling guys out in the media, it's never a good sign.

Well that's one way to make a mountain out of little to nothing.

 

[blahblah]

Being an ideologue and/or being cynical about Johansen's future is going to cost GMJK dearly in two years

rolflmfao

Darn bridge contracts. So rare in the NHL.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Being an ideologue and/or being cynical about Johansen's future is going to cost GMJK dearly in two years

I think they're more concerned about Johansen not being a flash in the pan than they're concerned about the $$ they'll have to dole out in a few years.