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Ryan Getzlaf in the 2003 draft
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I can't prove anything, I'm trying to support my opinion. 99% of posts on this board is an opinion if you can't try to support your opinions then there's no point to posting on this board.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/news/2003/06/17/draftrankings_naskaters/
Central Scouting had Getzlaf 5, Jessiman 20
Hugh Jessiman, RW
Ht: 6-4 Wt: 200 Born: 3/28/84
2002-03 with Dartmouth (ECAC): 34 GP, 23 G, 24 A, 47 PTS, 48 PIM
NHL Central Scouting Rank: 20th among North American skaters
Quick, name the last Dartmouth product to enjoy more than a cup of coffee in the NHL? You'd have to go all the way back to Carey Wilson, who played for three teams from 1983-84 to 1992-93. Jessiman could become the first player from the Ivy League school to be taken in the first round of the draft after he was ranked 20th among North American skaters by NHL Central Scouting. He's got plenty of size and a hard, accurate shot. Came out of nowhere to draw the attention of scouts after playing high school hockey at the Brunswick School in Connecticut. Scouts consider him a project but likes his raw talent and hockey sense.
Good article on drafting in hindsight has the Rangers selecting Seabrook:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/2010/20-years-of-hindisight-the-great-2003-nhl-re-draft/
It turned out crappy, but you have to think the Rangers looked at it as a big guy with a good shot who was ranked in the top 20. I remember not hating the pick at the time, but wishing they would've gone another direction
Central Scouting had Getzlaf 5, Jessiman 20
Hugh Jessiman, RW
Ht: 6-4 Wt: 200 Born: 3/28/84
2002-03 with Dartmouth (ECAC): 34 GP, 23 G, 24 A, 47 PTS, 48 PIM
NHL Central Scouting Rank: 20th among North American skaters
Quick, name the last Dartmouth product to enjoy more than a cup of coffee in the NHL? You'd have to go all the way back to Carey Wilson, who played for three teams from 1983-84 to 1992-93. Jessiman could become the first player from the Ivy League school to be taken in the first round of the draft after he was ranked 20th among North American skaters by NHL Central Scouting. He's got plenty of size and a hard, accurate shot. Came out of nowhere to draw the attention of scouts after playing high school hockey at the Brunswick School in Connecticut. Scouts consider him a project but likes his raw talent and hockey sense.
Good article on drafting in hindsight has the Rangers selecting Seabrook:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/2010/20-years-of-hindisight-the-great-2003-nhl-re-draft/
It turned out crappy, but you have to think the Rangers looked at it as a big guy with a good shot who was ranked in the top 20. I remember not hating the pick at the time, but wishing they would've gone another direction
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
The problem with this pick was, and always will be, the fact that they decided to go with the project/risk-reward pick in a draft that was known AT THE TIME to be excellent. Of course no one knew just how good it would end up being, but that doesn't justify the willingness to go off the board there.
The reason why people have such a hard time letting go of that year is because that draft has had such a significant impact on the league. A bunch of teams were able to add absolute STAR players with non-premium picks and that set them up very nicely moving forward. The Rangers have been playing catch-up ever since, and it's because they thought they were smarter than everyone else.
http://nhl.speedera.net/futures/cssrankings/2003final/final_naskaters.pdf
I mean, they had Jessiman ranked #20 amongst NA skaters, which is pretty good, and ahead of guys like Carter/Richards/Perry/Backes at forward, but how you make that pick with Brown/Getzlaf/Parise still on the board (consensus top 10, hell, top 5 picks) was/is beyond me, especially when you consider the drafting philosophy that emerged just one year later when Callahan/Dubinsky were picked. I know these conversations are usually tainted by hindsight, but this one really isn't, and I for one wish I could let this go but also think it's OK that I haven't.
The reason why people have such a hard time letting go of that year is because that draft has had such a significant impact on the league. A bunch of teams were able to add absolute STAR players with non-premium picks and that set them up very nicely moving forward. The Rangers have been playing catch-up ever since, and it's because they thought they were smarter than everyone else.
http://nhl.speedera.net/futures/cssrankings/2003final/final_naskaters.pdf
I mean, they had Jessiman ranked #20 amongst NA skaters, which is pretty good, and ahead of guys like Carter/Richards/Perry/Backes at forward, but how you make that pick with Brown/Getzlaf/Parise still on the board (consensus top 10, hell, top 5 picks) was/is beyond me, especially when you consider the drafting philosophy that emerged just one year later when Callahan/Dubinsky were picked. I know these conversations are usually tainted by hindsight, but this one really isn't, and I for one wish I could let this go but also think it's OK that I haven't.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
Also, check out the blurb about Parise and the Devils here:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/draft/2003-06-22-first-round_x.htm
The same applies to the Red Wings, in addition to their superior Euro scouting/developing.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/draft/2003-06-22-first-round_x.htm
The same applies to the Red Wings, in addition to their superior Euro scouting/developing.
Jessiman broke his ankle during his sophomore year at Dartmouth and was never the same skater again. That said, remember that MSG is an entertainment company and believes it is important to have names and stories they can promote. I am guessing one thing in Jessiman's favor was the potential "local guy who grew up a Rangers fan" storyline. MSG has done this before, remember the Ferraro Twins?
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I don't know man, I think fans will be entertained for longer with star players vs. nice stories. The nice story wears off after the draft.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Zherdev, LOL, from wiki:
"After signing a one-year deal with HC Lev Praha in July 2013, Zherdev celebrated at the Barvikha Luxury Village hotel in Moscow where things turned violent, according to a Russian news report.[15] Zherdev allegedly initiated a bar brawl at the hotel before crashing his Bentley Continental GT, which was later vandalized by locals who were outraged with his behaviour and scratched the words "scum", "*******", and others into the vehicle's paint with nails.[16] Damage to the vehicle was allegedly valued at $30,000. Barvikha Luxury Village hotel staff also claimed Zherdev spent nights there with various women, prompting his wife, Eugenia, to file for divorce.[15] Zherdev also lost his passport as a result of the incident, meaning that he could not fly to his new team's training camp in Finland.[17]"
"After signing a one-year deal with HC Lev Praha in July 2013, Zherdev celebrated at the Barvikha Luxury Village hotel in Moscow where things turned violent, according to a Russian news report.[15] Zherdev allegedly initiated a bar brawl at the hotel before crashing his Bentley Continental GT, which was later vandalized by locals who were outraged with his behaviour and scratched the words "scum", "*******", and others into the vehicle's paint with nails.[16] Damage to the vehicle was allegedly valued at $30,000. Barvikha Luxury Village hotel staff also claimed Zherdev spent nights there with various women, prompting his wife, Eugenia, to file for divorce.[15] Zherdev also lost his passport as a result of the incident, meaning that he could not fly to his new team's training camp in Finland.[17]"
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Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
One other thing to remember us that, in the prior decade, the game had become dominated by size, with less emphasis on speed and skill, (which would explain the reluctance on drafting Parise).
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I disagree. That was the sucker's philosophy. Sure it was painful being dominated by Lindros and Jagr in the 90s, but there were plenty of small/average sized guys at the top of the leaderboard every season (Bure, Selanne, Bondra, Palffy, Gretzky, Oates, Fleury, etc.).
Wouldn't the CSS rankings have taken size into account if it mattered so much?
eco's bones
Registered User
Yeah I was going to mention that. I don't know how much this actually affected him in the long run but he never came close to the same numbers as his freshman year at Dartmouth.
He was a Rangers fan--as was Sanguinetti--as was Montoya--as was Dubinsky. Dubinsky the only one who turned into anything. As is Duclair also a Rangers fan. RangerBoy is right about the Flyers and Sanguinetti. The Rangers picked right before them and they were absolutely sure that Sanguinetti was going to be theirs. An obviously shocked Bobby Clarke flubbed Claude Giroux's name at the podium.
As for Jessiman--the Rangers expressed great interest in Chris Kreider the year they drafted him and a lot of people back then were afraid he'd become the next Jessiman--seeing a big raw forward taking a similar path.
It may be in years to come that posters on other boards will wonder what the hell why didn't we draft Kreider instead of so and so or so and so.
Miller Time NYR
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We need to make a list of dead horses that don't need any more beating.... Poor horses let them rest in piece 
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
This is gone over time and time again and once again it's a previous scouting regime. It was Maloney and Renney. Gordie Clark didn't start heading drafts for the Rangers until 2006.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
People really seem to forget this. Jessiman has more in common with Stefan Cherneski than he does with, say, Anthony Stewart.
A lot went wrong with Jessiman, the least significant of which is where he was drafted. It's easy to whinge about it in hindsight, but the fact is the Rangers drafted a monster of a forward who had solid hockey sense, and a laser of a wrist shot. Sure there was the "he's a Rangers fan!" PR spin, but it's not like they nabbed a kid who was ranked in the 60's. They took him 8 spots earlier than most rankings had him. Not a big deal.
As was mentioned, the ankle injury was disastrous for his development. He rushed back from injury and it never healed completely. Then he went ahead and turned pro a year too early, and it was all downhill from there.
As for Getzlaf, every year there is a slider or two. They don't always pan out. For every Getzlaf there's a Bobby Sanguinetti or Angelo Esposito. I believe there were some concerns about Getzlaf's skating ability that caused him to slide.
Besides, the Rangers already had their huge, beastly #1C prospect in Lee Falardeau.
As was mentioned, the ankle injury was disastrous for his development. He rushed back from injury and it never healed completely. Then he went ahead and turned pro a year too early, and it was all downhill from there.
As for Getzlaf, every year there is a slider or two. They don't always pan out. For every Getzlaf there's a Bobby Sanguinetti or Angelo Esposito. I believe there were some concerns about Getzlaf's skating ability that caused him to slide.
Besides, the Rangers already had their huge, beastly #1C prospect in Lee Falardeau.
The Midnight Burrito
True Fan
You'd think so, but given the way the idiot Cult of Etem has grown in Anaheim, it turns out that the opposite is true.
The Midnight Burrito
True Fan
I'm sure they're in the minority. Lots of casual fans out there that care about pointless things. We have hardcore fans here that argue about Brian Boyle losing a fight after a 5-2 shellacking. Let me put it this way, Getzlaf puts more butts in seats than Etem with or without his cult of casual fans.
The Midnight Burrito
True Fan
Oh I agree. But I can envision a scenario where it could happen, though. It's not a very plausible one. But more plausible in a largely casual fan market vs. New York, though.
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