Ryan Callahan appreciation thread

[Callagraves]

It depends on a lot of factors. I think we'd do better than a similar role player and a pick. Particularly if the team felt they had a good shot at re-signing him, or if he agreed to an extension before the trade went down.

Tough to say how much cap is going to be available. We have a lot of players to re-sign, and I don't believe for a second that if a center like Stastny hits the market, that the Rangers will restrain themselves from making a big offer. As it stands now, assuming Richards is bought out:

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
? - ? - ?
Hagelin - ? - ?
? - ? - Dorsett

McDonagh - ?
Staal - Klein
Moore - ?
?

Something like $35M already invested in the cap, and we have an entire second line, two thirds of a bottom six, and a top and bottom pairing D-man to add. That money is going to disappear quickly, especially if you're re-signing Callahan and Girardi at ~$6M a piece.

Assuming you resign both, you'd hope to pencil in McIlrath, Miller and or Kristo. Brassard is RFA, and my god am I in favor of trading him off. I'd go for a more physical, cheaper option, if they think Miller and Kristo are ready for a shot.

I think the signing could be done and safely, but Sather would have to pull some tricks.


If we are selling, you need a team that's willing to give up a 2/3rd liner, along with a decently high pick, for a quality 2nd line RW who eats minutes, and may very well walk at the end of the season.

Limits the pool. I don't know really, Mcginn and a 2nd?

 

[Cassano]

Callahan is a mere paper tiger without Dubinsky on his line.

 

[Leonardo87]

All fair points, but look at these numbers in comparison:

2010:
PP TOI/G - 3:16
PP Goals - 9

2011:
PP TOI/G - 3:23
PP Goals - 10

2012:
PP TOI/G - 3:42
PP Goals - 13

2013:
PP TOI/G - 3:12
PP Goals - 6

2014:
PP TOI/G - 2:03
PP Goals - 4

Callahan is no longer the #1 net-front presence on the PP. Kreider is getting that time now. So that lack of PP ice time is going to effect his goal output. About 40% of his goal scoring comes from the PP.

$6M for a guy who isn't on the top powerplay unit? He's no longer the #1 PKing option either. His role on the team is changing under a new coach. That has to be acknowledged. Don't over pay for a winger based on his history, when he may be seeing a reduced role moving forward that could drastically alter his production and value.

AV is not, and has never been the type to play his superstars huge minutes, not his forwards at least. Unlike under Torts' regime, Callahan is not the go to guy on the PP or PK. There is no go to guy anymore. No forward gets over 20 minutes a game, so everybody has to be effective in reduced roles. Callahan's role has been drastically reduced from under Torts, and that's where a lot of his value came from. Being the best PP guy, and the best PK guy. Forwards that need heavy minutes to get the most out of them aren't effective under AV, because he likes to divide ice time as much as possible.

Under AV, Callahan doesn't have as much value as we've seen him to have. And his reduced role makes it incredibly asinine to pay him 6 million.

Under Torts, it probably would've made more sense. Probably.

Yeah have you guys even looked at his total ice time as of late? Also, go look at the Blackhawks game and the Dallas game. If he was playing like 12 mins to 15 mins a game I would totally agree with you, but he is not. He is playing over 16 mins to 20 mins a game. So his role has not been reduced.

As per the PP... they have 3 goals in 21 chances, 2 of those goals Callahan was in front of the net for, and they were 5 on 3's. So The reg PP has gotten stale, with only 1 goal in 21 chances.

Do you guys really think Pouliot is going to remain in Cally's place on the PP forever? Come on now. Gotta look at what he's done in the past, and what Callahan can bring moving forward. He's one of the best on the PK, one of the best on the PP, and his 5 on 5 is very good. How many players are good, not good but very good, on both special teams, and are solid 5 on 5. This is why Rangers can't let him walk or trade him.

 

[Bullseyes]

Yeah have you guys even looked at his total ice time as of late? Also, go look at the Blackhawks game and the Dallas game. If he was playing like 12 mins to 15 mins a game I would totally agree with you, but he is not. He is playing over 16 mins to 20 mins a game. So his role has not been reduced.

As per the PP... they have 3 goals in 21 chances, 2 of those goals Callahan was in front of the net for, and they were 5 on 3's. So The reg PP has gotten stale, with only 1 goal in 21 chances.

Do you guys really think Pouliot is going to remain in Cally's place on the PP forever? Come on now. Gotta look at what he's done in the past, and what Callahan can bring moving forward. He's one of the best on the PK, one of the best on the PP, and his 5 on 5 is very good. How many players are good, not good but very good, on both special teams, and are solid 5 on 5. This is why Rangers can't let him walk or trade him.

He's averaging 17:53 TOI/game this season.
He averaged 21:30 TOI/game last season.
21:02 TOI/game in 2011-2012.
19:54 TOI/game in 2010-2011.

His TOI has absolutely been reduced and I don't see how anyone could deny that.

He was the go-to guy for Tortorella in just about every situation. He's not that anymore.

No one is saying Callahan is a bad player but that with his injury history, why give him a long contract? If we were talking about an elite player, then I get it, the risk is worth it, but we're not. Callahan is a good player, but that's about it.

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah have you guys even looked at his total ice time as of late? Also, go look at the Blackhawks game and the Dallas game. If he was playing like 12 mins to 15 mins a game I would totally agree with you, but he is not. He is playing over 16 mins to 20 mins a game. So his role has not been reduced.

As per the PP... they have 3 goals in 21 chances, 2 of those goals Callahan was in front of the net for, and they were 5 on 3's. So The reg PP has gotten stale, with only 1 goal in 21 chances.

Do you guys really think Pouliot is going to remain in Cally's place on the PP forever? Come on now. Gotta look at what he's done in the past, and what Callahan can bring moving forward. He's one of the best on the PK, one of the best on the PP, and his 5 on 5 is very good. How many players are good, not good but very good, on both special teams, and are solid 5 on 5. This is why Rangers can't let him walk or trade him.

From how Torts used him, yes, it has.

Everyone's role has been reduced to a degree.

Callahan is a player that thrives on getting a lot of ice time. He used to play 21+ minutes a game for Torts.

And for the record, with how often he's injured the Rangers have definitely learned to play without him.

 

[Leonardo87]

He's averaging 17:53 TOI/game this season.
He averaged 21:30 TOI/game last season.
21:02 TOI/game in 2011-2012.
19:54 TOI/game in 2010-2011.

His TOI has absolutely been reduced and I don't see how anyone could deny that.

He was the go-to guy for Tortorella in just about every situation. He's not that anymore.

No one is saying Callahan is a bad player but that with his injury history, why give him a long contract? If we were talking about an elite player, then I get it, the risk is worth it, but we're not. Callahan is a good player, but that's about it.

Rick Nash has also had reduced ice time, and there was article saying it has been the least since his rookie season, it is AV's system.

Plus, when Cally gets back on the PP he should be racking in more points. PP is every players cash in for points.