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RW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) III

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monster_bertuzzi said:
Easily a higher quality prospect than Hall and Mackinnon were.
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If this was true, then Barkov should've easily been 1st overall in 2013 draft. He had easily the better Liiga season than Laine in their draft years.

Even Mikael Granlund had more points and much better PPG than Laine in his 17-year-old season...
 
Juubito said:
If this was true, then Barkov should've easily been 1st overall in 2013 draft. He had easily the better Liiga season than Laine in their draft years.

Even Mikael Granlund had more points and much better PPG than Laine in his 17-year-old season...
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Barkov's the better player now, and its not like Barkov didn't have a good draft season. If a Canadian player is 1st going into a draft year and does well to maintain their reputation, they usually go first. There's a very good argument that Barkov was a better prospect than Hall and MacKinnon.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Barkov's the better player now, and its not like Barkov didn't have a good draft season. If a Canadian player is 1st going into a draft year and does well to maintain their reputation, they usually go first. There's a very good argument that Barkov was a better prospect than Hall and MacKinnon.
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I just made a post about this, but at the time Barkov was in his draft year we (Finland) hadn't been able to produce players/prospects like him, they saw Granlund and had huge concerns, if Barkov was in this years draft he'd be hyped like crazy, he was a damm beast and lot of fans/experts didn't give him the time and credit he deserved and missed a lot, a la his draft video.
 
Juubito said:
If this was true, then Barkov should've easily been 1st overall in 2013 draft. He had easily the better Liiga season than Laine in their draft years.

Even Mikael Granlund had more points and much better PPG than Laine in his 17-year-old season...
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That's it. Mikael Granlund > Laine. Granlund has always been good on big ice. Even in the olympics he was beasting.
 
BB88 said:
I just made a post about this, but at the time Barkov was in his draft year we (Finland) hadn't been able to produce players/prospects like him, they saw Granlund and had huge concerns, if Barkov was in this years draft he'd be hyped like crazy, he was a damm beast and lot of fans/experts didn't give him the time and credit he deserved and missed a lot, a la his draft video.
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Yeah, people try to say nationality doesn't factor into draft rankings, which I find to be inaccurate. NA's usually go earlier, people are usually skeptical of Finnish forwards, Russian players not playing junior hockey in NA usually go later.
 
Juubito said:
If this was true, then Barkov should've easily been 1st overall in 2013 draft. He had easily the better Liiga season than Laine in their draft years.

Even Mikael Granlund had more points and much better PPG than Laine in his 17-year-old season...
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But he was tracked to been 1st, colorado just weren't on the train :laugh:

MiG never had tools to fully translate his game (and was draft 9th overall due to fact)
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Yeah, people try to say nationality doesn't factor into draft rankings, which I find to be inaccurate. NA's usually go earlier, people are usually skeptical of Finnish forwards, Russian players not playing junior hockey in NA usually go later.
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That has to do with lack of a transfer agreement and Russian teams not being co-operative with scouts. Most of the time the CHL player going first is justified. Kovalchuk went over Spezza, that shows their isn't much bias and Euros can pass a highly regarded CHL guy.
 
93LEAFS said:
That has to do with lack of a transfer agreement and Russian teams not being co-operative with scouts. Most of the time the CHL player going first is justified. Kovalchuk went over Spezza, that shows their isn't much bias and Euros can pass a highly regarded CHL guy.
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During the 1990s and early 2000s, the "Russian factor" was thought to have subsided, as the Iron Curtain had fallen; the floodgates for Eastern European talent opened.

This explains the influx of Russian players selected early in the first round of the NHL Draft at that time.

Fear has since developed of Russian players being difficult to sign and keep in North America, so that is once again being taken into consideration. Some of these players came over to play in the NHL, and some had lengthy careers in that league, but many stayed at home. The Western hockey world that thought a whole new crop of talent had been made available to them, and the first wave of elite Russian talent was extremely impressive to NHL spectators, so teams aggressively pursued Russian prospects; they soon learned that it wasn't so simple.

1992:

2nd overall - Alexei Yashin
10th overall - Andrei Nazarov
12th overall - Sergei Krivokrasov
14th overall - Sergei Gonchar
16th overall - Dmitri Kvartalnov
17th overall - Sergei Bautin

1993:

6th overall - Viktor Kozlov

1994:

2nd overall - Oleg Tverdovsky
15th overall - Alexander Kharlamov
21st overall - Evgeni Ryabchikov
25th overall - Vadim Sharifijanov

1995:

19th overall - Dmitri Nabokov
24th overall - Aleksey Morozov

1996:

2nd overall - Andrei Zyuzin
4th overall - Alexandre Volchkov

1997:

8th overall - Sergei Samsonov

1998:

5th overall - Vitali Vishnevski
18th overall - Dmitri Kalinin

1999:

11th overall - Oleg Saprykin
19th overall - Kirill Safronov
25th overall - Mikhail Kuleshov

2000:

8th overall - Nikita Alexeev
10th overall - Mikhail Yakubov
11th overall - Pavel Vorobiev
12th overall - Alexei Smirnov
15th overall - Artem Kryukov
17th overall - Alexei Mikhnov
20th overall - Alexander Frolov
21st overall - Anton Volchenkov

2001:

1st overall - Ilya Kovalchuk
3rd overall - Alexander Svitov
5th overall - Stanislav Chistov
15th overall - Igor Knyazev
25th overall - Alexander Perezhogin
 
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JetsAlternate said:
During the 1990s and early 2000s, the "Russian factor" was thought to have subsided, as the Iron Curtain had fallen; the floodgates for Eastern European talent opened.

This explains the influx of Russian players selected early in the first round of the NHL Draft at that time.

Fear has since developed of Russian players being difficult to sign and keep in North America, so that is once again being taken into consideration. Some of these players came over to play in the NHL, and some had lengthy careers in that league, but many stayed at home. The Western hockey world that thought a whole new crop of talent had been made available to them, and the first wave of elite Russian talent was extremely impressive to NHL spectators, so teams aggressively pursued Russian prospects; they soon learned that it wasn't so simple.

1992:

2nd overall - Alexei Yashin
10th overall - Andrei Nazarov
12th overall - Sergei Krivokrasov
14th overall - Sergei Gonchar
16th overall - Dmitri Kvartalnov
17th overall - Sergei Bautin

1993:

6th overall - Viktor Kozlov

1994:

2nd overall - Oleg Tverdovsky
15th overall - Alexander Kharlamov
21st overall - Evgeni Ryabchikov
25th overall - Vadim Sharifijanov

1995:

19th overall - Dmitri Nabokov
24th overall - Aleksey Morozov

1996:

2nd overall - Andrei Zyuzin
4th overall - Alexandre Volchkov

1997:

8th overall - Sergei Samsonov

1998:

5th overall - Vitali Vishnevski
18th overall - Dmitri Kalinin

1999:

11th overall - Oleg Saprykin
19th overall - Kirill Safronov
25th overall - Mikhail Kuleshov

2000:

8th overall - Nikita Alexeev
10th overall - Mikhail Yakubov
11th overall - Pavel Vorobiev
12th overall - Alexei Smirnov
15th overall - Artem Kryukov
17th overall - Alexei Mikhnov
20th overall - Alexander Frolov
21st overall - Anton Volchenkov

2001:

1st overall - Ilya Kovalchuk
3rd overall - Alexander Svitov
5th overall - Stanislav Chistov
15th overall - Igor Knyazev
25th overall - Alexander Perezhogin
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The main reason is a lack of a transfer agreement, its not due to a nationality bias. If Fins or Swedes had this problem there stocks would slip.
 
Laine is all in today: Scored a goal, took a stupid penalty in o-zone which led to Lukkos go ahead goal and then threw couple of very hard hits, especially the second was a beauty. And clean.

Love it.
 
FinProspects said:
Laine is all in today: Scored a goal, took a stupid penalty in o-zone which led to Lukkos go ahead goal and then threw couple of very hard hits, especially the second was a beauty. And clean.

Love it.
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Always nice to see 17 years old hitting veterans to the ground.
 
Good i was getting a bit nervous he was pulling a "matthews" because of his couple of first playoff games. Good to see Laine back in track.
 
2+1 in the 5th game of the series, and with the game winner goal too that won the series for his team. Elevated his game when it mattered (like in WJC too), a good sign.
 
Oan said:
2+1 in the 5th game of the series, and with the game winner goal too that won the series for his team. Elevated his game when it mattered (like in WJC too), a good sign.
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Yes. First 4 games were huge dissapointment. Nice to see one great PO game from him. I hope next serie won't be this bad.
 
What a time to be Finn hockey fan, can't wait to see what he can do in the next few months.
 
FinProspects said:
He was actually better in game3 than today. Sometimes you get the bounces, sometime not.
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Typical finnish answer. :laugh: I'm glad that Laine also probably thinks scoring is more important that missing chances. If you are a goalscorer you don't believe in bounces.
 
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