RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

What is wrong with you?

You can't compare the Lindros pick to the Michkov selection. One was a sure fire thing from the junior league in which you had every control of the situation.

The other is a promising young player out of a country in which you were never sure if he comes over. The Flyers expected to wait 3 years before they get any chance to see him in Philly.

At this time many teams started a bidding war for #88. Red Wings reportedly offered Yzerman+.

Isn't it obvious?

Michkov set records in almost every freaking tournament he played in, Russian and international. If Arizona/Utah wanted to trade him, price would have been much better, than Simashev for sure. And it's without saying that Michkov could have decided that Utah wasn't Arizona and agreed to play for it... He could be very useful for Utah right now, couldn't he? Just imagine him and Cooley together for many years to come...
 
Michkov set records in almost every freaking tournament he played in, Russian and international. If Arizona/Utah wanted to trade him, price would have been much better, than Simashev for sure. And it's without saying that Michkov could have decided that Utah wasn't Arizona and agreed to play for it... He could be very useful for Utah right now, couldn't he? Just imagine him and Cooley together for many years to come...
What exactly are we talking about now?

I tried to point out how the Lindros comparison doesn't fit and no, it wouldn't be THAT easy to trade Michkov. Just ask us Flyers fans what we had to go through when Gauthier declined to sign here and he's homegrown property out of the NCAA.

You avoided my post and tell me now how Michkov is more useful than Simashev. I am sure every other pick in the first round would be more useful than Simashev, let alone #39.

I don't need to be convinced how awesome MM is but there were obvious reasons why teams didn't draft him. Thankfully the Flyers did.
 
What exactly are we talking about now?

I tried to point out how the Lindros comparison doesn't fit and no, it wouldn't be THAT easy to trade Michkov. Just ask us Flyers fans what we had to go through when Gauthier declined to sign here and he's homegrown property out of the NCAA.

You avoided my post and tell me now how Michkov is more useful than Simashev. I am sure every other pick in the first round would be more useful than Simashev, let alone #39.

I don't need to be convinced how awesome MM is but there were obvious reasons why teams didn't draft him. Thankfully the Flyers did.

Of course hype wasn't Lindros level, not even close. But I absolutely don't agree with you that it would be a problem to trade Michkov for some cool assets.
 
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Montreal media made up the « not going to Mtl part». Reinbacher’s pick didnt go that well here the first few hours so had to go in « justify » mode.

Fans held on to that explanation. For a year until the Demidov pick. They then gladly switched for Demidov is better than Michkov posts. Ppg in KHL, attitude, size, name it. They were delighted when Michkov was benched by the weird coach until it happened to Demidov. That was funny.

Michkov wanted to go first (that wasnt happening) and not go to Arizona. I doubt he wouldnt join Ovechkin. Pretty sure Anaheim, Columbus and SJose were not on his wish list but he would have gone imo.

Next 3 picks were Cs with huge potential ranked pretty much 2-3-4 on most lists. DR at 5 raised hell in Mtl (he was ranked 8th) cause it was Michkov at 5. For a few hours. Chantal, former media now communication director, made a few calls. Simashev didnt even if he was 18th bc it was Ariz and nobody cared.

The reaction to DR pick is still in here for doubters. Wasn’t pretty.
 
The irony is crazy 🤣
You remember your own reaction to the pick? Post 109. « What the hell is going on , this and the Newhook trade have me worried ».

But most Habs fans in that thread lost it more than you did, I’ll give you that.

After hours of discussing trading down to get Gauthier, Foerster and 7th for 5th.

For the moment Philly got to enjoy MM more than Habs with DR. It might change. But it might not.

Can’t win em all. You won Caufield-York.
 
Some of these Habs fans are embarassing and I wish they wouldn't comment anywhere, not even the Habs board.

Michkov is great and I love that he hit the ground running. May he torch the league for years to come and especially torch the teams that skipped him or disparaged him.
Add that any kid would absolutely love to play in Montreal. It’s the hockey Mecca where the great players are loved like nowhere else. He would have thrived there.Hes doing great things in Philly and it’s good for league he’s there.
 
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Deflecting. So, you admit everything I said is true, got it.
I'm not going to argue with a guy who uses takeaways as a barometer for defense. Hutson was in the 2nd percentile for defense just a month or two ago. Looks like he's now up to 14th percentile after last night, he was 10th percentile before last night. Good for him.

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I'm not going to argue with a guy who uses takeaways as a barometer for defense. Hutson was in the 2nd percentile for defense just a month or two ago. Looks like he's now up to 14th percentile after last night, he was 10th percentile before last night. Good for him.

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It isn't really a coincidence that this happens after he gets moved away from Matheson or Savard. He had a lot of learning to do at the start of the year, but is now our best all-around defenseman by far.

Also to get back on topic, I can't wait to see Michkov on a contending team. I think his international tournament history tells us that he's going to be a playoff beast.
 
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Some of these Habs fans are embarassing and I wish they wouldn't comment anywhere, not even the Habs board.

Michkov is great and I love that he hit the ground running. May he torch the league for years to come and especially torch the teams that skipped him or disparaged him.
Sure, pretend it’s just Habs fans being unreasonable Mr. Slaf-is-a-bust-and-the-worst-prospect-ever. It’s no surprise you’re bitter toward other Habs fans; you’ve repeatedly made a fool of yourself on the Habs boards with your ridiculous takes, and now you’re bitter 😂.
 
Sure, pretend it’s just Habs fans being unreasonable Mr. Slaf-is-a-bust-and-the-worst-prospect-ever. It’s no surprise you’re bitter toward other Habs fans; you’ve repeatedly made a fool of yourself on the Habs boards with your ridiculous takes, and now you’re bitter 😂.
It’s called creating a equilibrium
 
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I'm not going to argue with a guy who uses takeaways as a barometer for defense. Hutson was in the 2nd percentile for defense just a month or two ago. Looks like he's now up to 14th percentile after last night, he was 10th percentile before last night. Good for him.

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You still don't understand the impact of 13ENG on your advance card I see......
 
You still don't understand the impact of 13ENG on your advance card I see......
Montreal fans ask for analytics get the analytics then say it doesn’t count because of certain styles of goals lol. But secondary assists are the same as primary assists too. What? Can you people at least stay consistent ? So is Hutson now a secondary assist merchant too, you’re finally agreeing?
 
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Who tf uses takeaways as a stat in any argument lmao use actual advanced metrics dude.
Lmao tell me you don’t understand hockey. Takeaways are a pretty reliable indicator of engagement in the play off the puck, and there’s a reason that Selke winners are almost invariably among the league leaders in them - Bergeron, Datsyuk, Kopitar, Toews, etc all led the league in takeaways at different times, and in any given year, the best defensive players takeaway/giveaway ratio is virtually always well above 1.

Michkov’s amount of takeaways through 74 games is ridiculously low, even considering his limited minutes, and his takeaway/giveaway ratio is comically bad. That, along with his number of hits being abnormally low as well, show that his play, effort, and engagement defensively and off the puck is putrid, and virtually non-existent, which matches the eye test. He is absolutely useless without the puck on his stick, and the eye test and stats support this.

Fancy “advanced metrics” don’t tell the whole story because he’s played limited, sheltered minutes for the majority of the season. Hilarious how you don’t seem to grasp this concept 😂
 
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Montreal fans ask for analytics get the analytics then say it doesn’t count because of certain styles of goals lol. But secondary assists are the same as primary assists too. What? Can you people at least say consistent ? So is Hutson now a secondary assist merchant too, you’re finally agree
analytics are clearly out of your league with all the comments you made.
 
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People in Utah (Arizona) should lose their jobs for hopping over Michkov.

This Ryan Jankowski guy is something else (current Dir. of scouting for Utah, former Dir. scouting/Head scout for hapless Islanders/Sabres. He is literally responsible for finding talent and has never done it. Never.

Eye test. Analytics. Historical results. Either way you cut it, hopping over Michkov is just a ridiculous blunder.
Michkovs team didn’t answer arizonas calls.
 

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