2010 centers depth was great though
Prime Malkin
Datsyuk
Past prime but still serviceable Fedorov
KHL superstar Zinoviev
That roster was pretty insane on paper, but just couldn’t handle Canada’s pressure
RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 5
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Prime Malkin
Datsyuk
Past prime but still serviceable Fedorov
KHL superstar Zinoviev
That roster was pretty insane on paper, but just couldn’t handle Canada’s pressure
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yep, for sure. they have goalies currently.
First time ive seen it. Goalie and D has historically always been really weak, since Russia became Russia and not USSR. There have been three epic Russian centers, and a boatload of epic wingers
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After 27 games? how many have been PPG as 19 years old as rookies? from 2005 and over.?
im so excited to get to see real talented players on the ice, Michkov this year and maybe Demidov next... I dont care if Michkov is a flyers, he's fun to watch and hes already dictating the pace on the ice.
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those are the three great centers. Nice that they overlapped, but Fedorov wasnt much by then.
I often think Russia has more firepower than Canada on the wing, but, even right there, at their peak, with their three greatest centers overlapping, Fedorov isnt as good as centers on Canada who either didnt make it or were shifted to the wing.
To me, its glaring.
Historically @
wing 10/10
center 7/10
D 3/10
G 3 or 4/10
and goalies never look very good without a good defence in from of them.
Bobrovsky would likely look much worse with Russia than Florida. Similar for Shesterkin.
Russia’s defense is more than serviceable these days. There are 5-6 guys that are playing first pair in the NHL
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D is still a problem. Serg and Provorov were supposed to anchor the future but both have had big up and downs. Silyev could be good but he’s likely a couple seasons away
Via Moneypuck, in just over 100 5v5 minutes Michkov-Frost-Tippett are 9 GF - 2 GA (or 82% GF%) and 60% xGF%. I think his 5v5 play early on wasn't great but some stability with this trio and a sliver of skill on his line has turned his 5v5 play into an asset - it just took a little time which always made sense from a chess-master-like talent adjusting to new league/continent as a teenager.
They are producing 3.05 xGF/60, which is the equivalent of the best 5v5 teams in the league and are obviously outscoring that greatly due to a little luck (probably) and having a dual threat like MM39 being better than average at shot selection, shooting, and passing. It probably helps not to have the toughest match-ups (ie. away from Couturier) but he continues to level up so give it 25 more games..
They are producing 3.05 xGF/60, which is the equivalent of the best 5v5 teams in the league and are obviously outscoring that greatly due to a little luck (probably) and having a dual threat like MM39 being better than average at shot selection, shooting, and passing. It probably helps not to have the toughest match-ups (ie. away from Couturier) but he continues to level up so give it 25 more games..
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Everybody who followed this kid since he was 16 was dumbfounded
Agent Reveals Matvei Michkov Never Said No to the Habs, Canadiens Simply Passed on Him
We all remember the infamous decision not to select him. The Canadiens left Michkov on the board to draft young defenseman David Reinbacher with the fifth overall pick in 2023.www.yardbarker.com
This guy isn't Michkov's agent, he's just a pundit who talks about hockey on the radio. Seems like some tried to translate a French article and misunderstood that somehow Ettedgui was an agent?
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It's so strange to me that Michkov fans and Celebrini fans feel the need to attack each other's preferred player. Both are fantastic rookies. There's no reason we can't appreciate what both are doing without trying to bring the other one down.
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There's a lot of tribalism over prospects in the recent couple years. I'm guilty of it as well and needed to step back and just enjoy the players. We're in the best era the game has ever seen.
People are assholes, they thrive on conflicts and are addicted to validation of their miserable lives from internet strangers. I prefer just watching and admiring both players do great things. I don't care who wins calder, it's not even that important. It'll be great to see if both lift the cup in the next two decades for their teams.
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He looks better (much better one could say) 5v5 now. He's adjusting, and very well too.
I think his scoring pace will go down as the season progresses, games get more intense and he fatigues. Other teams will start focusing more on him too.
In any case he already has shown what he is all about. As soon as the flyers get more offense to surround him he will be a scoring machine. 100pt+ potential for sure.
Wonder what will be his ceiling
I think his scoring pace will go down as the season progresses, games get more intense and he fatigues. Other teams will start focusing more on him too.
In any case he already has shown what he is all about. As soon as the flyers get more offense to surround him he will be a scoring machine. 100pt+ potential for sure.
Wonder what will be his ceiling
Well one prospect had endless innuendo thrown at him so of course his backers are going to be defensive against those same people who still are looking for ways to put down Michkov.
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What do you mean “of course?” Why do you care what anybody else says about him? What they say doesn’t change anything about how he’s actually performing.
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Because narratives drive perspectives and opinions and it’s ridiculous. I’m loving him shutting up all the idiots.
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Fatigue will be an issue. This is his first season in the best league in the world and he's never played more than 60 games in any season. A solid 60 point season would be a superb return for the most exciting talent we've had since Lindros.
I think it's glaringly obvious he's clearing 60 at this point, the game is slowing down to a point Matvei is making it look easy. He didn't play in juniors vs kids, he's been playing against men since he was a teenager, I think he'll hold up just fine. Everyone that hasn't watched him since he was a teenager is starting to see exactly why he's one of the most talked about prospects in a long time. I'd never start the thread to compare him to Bedard (who should have went 1st overall between them) but I'm of the minority with a few other posters that thought Michkov projected better, due to his unreal IQ, even at the draft. I think both are future HOF players irregardless, Michkov is an absolute savage though, he's always been different. Bedard was just the easy, 1C "generational" tag from Canada, and rightfully so he was putting up generational stats in juniors. I love the respect they both have for each other though, it's pretty dope imo.
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On the Habs board it's such a touchy topic that all Michkov discussion has been moved to a specific thread.
Are you serious lol, they have the best offensive prospect from last year in Demidov, that should be enough to at least not lose your mind. You can argue Celebrini but I think Demidov has a higher offensively ceiling.
Everyone's happy about Demidov. But reminding anyone that we passed on Michkov must be done in the politically appropriate places in the politically appropriate way.
I get it, the guys on the Habs board are hockey fanatics and anyone who knows the game knows what he was going to be, I do feel bad for Habs fans, there's some real good ones that add a lot to the board and the hockey community in general. Flyers would be doomed if we didn't get him, they were due for a break though after losing Kane to the Hawks and getting JVR, then Kane potting the cup winning goal. We're all tortured one way or another as fans.
