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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 5

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jj cale said:
For a 19 year old coming from a vastly different culture who has neither elite size, elite shot or elite skating I'd say he doing pretty well. You can tell he thinks the game offensively so very well........he will be a 100 point guy in the future once he gets it all figured out and has better personnel around him on the team.

Some people misjudged him in thinking he would light up this league in his rookie season, he's not Ovechkin,Malkin,Crosby, Mcdavid or that level of player where he can come into the league on a stinker team and still be a top star in his first season.

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Sounds like I'm a bigger fan of his (or completely delusional, it happens).

I do think he'll be near Ovechkin/Malkin levels. I love his hockey IQ, tenacity and shot. Having said that... 5 on 5 at the NHL level is no joke.

I'm not even sure Ovechkin was in the NHL as a teenager. Brutal league for teenagers!
 
Czechboy said:
Sounds like I'm a bigger fan of his (or completely delusional, it happens).

I do think he'll be near Ovechkin/Malkin levels. I love his hockey IQ, tenacity and shot. Having said that... 5 on 5 at the NHL level is no joke.

I'm not even sure Ovechkin was in the NHL as a teenager. Brutal league for teenagers!
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Ovi couldn't have been, due to the lockout.
 
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Czechboy said:
Sounds like I'm a bigger fan of his (or completely delusional, it happens).

I do think he'll be near Ovechkin/Malkin levels. I love his hockey IQ, tenacity and shot. Having said that... 5 on 5 at the NHL level is no joke.

I'm not even sure Ovechkin was in the NHL as a teenager. Brutal league for teenagers!
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Ovechkin/Malkin is a pretty damn high bar though, especially when he doesn't have some of the attributes those guys possessed. He possibly can get there, everyone here talks about his I.Q to the point where you think we are in a mensa forum rather then a hockey one but they aren't wrong................he sees stuff and completes stuff fast, faster then 95% of the league does. Can he leverage that special ability to go along with the rest of his skill set to be the level of player those two reached?

I guess we will know in about a year or two.
 
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Don’t feed into the obvious bait. He’s a rookie. He’s not going to have 82 good games.

Nothing wrong with Torts skipping a few of his shifts either. That should be happening to all NHL players when they don’t follow instructions of the coach. A few shifts is nothing and shouldn’t make a storyline.
 
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I think he's been fairly unlucky on 5v5 from a point perspective. He has generated shots and has given his teammates high scoring chances. They just haven't gone in.

I think he definitely wasn't as crisp last night though which is to be expected for someone who is new to the league. The Flyers have had three sequences of back to back games over the first couple weeks of the season. My expectation is he will build up his endurance. The difference between an amazing play and not getting tot he puck is a step.
 
Rookie of the month and he’s benched ahead of a bunch of guys on Philly who look exponentially worse.

From Rotenberg to Torts. The poor kid can’t get a break.
 
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I think he's been fairly unlucky on 5v5 from a point perspective. He has generated shots and has given his teammates high scoring chances. They just haven't gone in.

I think he definitely wasn't as crisp last night though which is to be expected for someone who is new to the league. The Flyers have had three sequences of back to back games over the first couple weeks of the season. My expectation is he will build up his endurance. The difference between an amazing play and not getting tot he puck is a step.
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He is not generating a lot of shots. He’s averaging less than two shots a game with first line ice time.
 
Hanji said:
Rookie of the month and he’s benched ahead of a bunch of guys on Philly who look exponentially worse.

From Rotenberg to Torts. The poor kid can’t get a break.
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He's playing 18 minutes a night on average since starting the season , kids get benched its normal , if he gets scratched then yeah you can scream murder
 
Czechboy said:
Sounds like I'm a bigger fan of his (or completely delusional, it happens).

I do think he'll be near Ovechkin/Malkin levels. I love his hockey IQ, tenacity and shot. Having said that... 5 on 5 at the NHL level is no joke.

I'm not even sure Ovechkin was in the NHL as a teenager. Brutal league for teenagers!
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Ovechkin is the top goal scorer of all time and Malkin was performing on pace with he and Sid for almost a decade. These three were known quantities coming into the draft. Michkov is going to be a great player. Comparing him to those three is going to set you up for a lot of disappointment.
 
Hanji said:
Rookie of the month and he’s benched ahead of a bunch of guys on Philly who look exponentially worse.

From Rotenberg to Torts. The poor kid can’t get a break.
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I'm 50-50 on this to be honest.

I am a big Vrana fan and his coaches kept benching him and I was always thinking they were idiots.

Then my oilers drafted JP and his coaches always benched him too.

Both first rounders with very high skillsets. I'm not saying this happens to Michkov but have seen this before with similar first rounders.
 
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jj cale said:
Ovechkin/Malkin is a pretty damn high bar though, especially when he doesn't have some of the attributes those guys possessed. He possibly can get there, everyone here talks about his I.Q to the point where you think we are in a mensa forum rather then a hockey one but they aren't wrong................he sees stuff and completes stuff fast, faster then 95% of the league does. Can he leverage that special ability to go along with the rest of his skill set to be the level of player those two reached?

I guess we will know in about a year or two.
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It is year 2 I am curious about. Same with Bedard now. But I do think he's in that elite Russian tier of talent but I also thought Yakupov and McDavid would score about 500 goals together while winning cups. I'm not exactly batting a 1000 over here.lol
 
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I thought he looked really good against the Habs tbh. Torts is a good coach, I think he's gonna do just fine with him.
 
The Gr8 Dane said:
He's playing 18 minutes a night on average since starting the season , kids get benched its normal , if he gets scratched then yeah you can scream murder
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Torts suggested that benching a complete game isn't out of the question. And that wouldn't be reason to scream bloody murder. Rookie gets benched, I think I've watched that movie before.

kp61c said:
most of the players here wouldn't amount to much even in the khl.
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middling NHL 4th liners are often top 10 in KHL scoring leaders. Highly doubt.
 
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kp61c said:
i don't see it in this case. expansions didn't do the nhl any favours, some teams are just tough to watch, crap galore.
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You haven't watched any of the three other "major" sports in the US lately. Football, baseball, and basketball have a handful of clubs that dominate; with most being semi-pro caliber (or worse) in terms of talent.

Salary caps and cost containment have ruined those sports.

Hockey, thanks to its international reach, is far more competitive.
 
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