RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[majormajor]

Type better, or get critiqued, your post lacked clarity and your point if that’s what you really meant. If depth players could do that purposely then they would be on most teams top lines and PP1, you’re grasping at straws.

There are plenty of things separating Michkov from a 4th liner, and the decision to shoot for a rebound in that very commonplace situation was not one of them. This isn't complicated.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Type better, or get critiqued, your post lacked clarity and your point if that’s what you really meant. If depth players could do that purposely then they would be on most teams top lines and PP1, you’re grasping at straws.

Are you pretending you’ve never heard the adage “just get it on net”? Thats what it means - shooting off a pad to create a rebound, shooting looking for a deflection/bounce/scramble, etc. It’s a common play taught since peewee.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

There are plenty of things separating Michkov from a 4th liner, and the decision to shoot for a rebound in that very commonplace situation was not one of them. This isn't complicated.

Most players don't have the IQ to make that specific play work the way it did, you're looking more and more silly. Here's an example, you think the same thing happens when a guy like McDavid rolls into the slot with someone draped on his back vice a common 4th liner? Yeah, no. Michkov when you break down his game down makes really unreal intelligent plays on the fly, thats what makes him great. Really no reason to argue about it further, you're entitled to think as you wish. lol

 

[bud12]

Excited to see him play this season, every team who drafted after Chicago will regret not taking him. Not just the habs. Philly got lucky

 

[deejb]

At the risk of being unpopular, I've finally done a Michkov video. I'm sure there's a zillion out there about his hands and his shooting, so I took a look at his mental game - mainly his playmaking process. I was not completely sold on his playmaking ability in his DY...not that I thought it was bad, I just thought it fell way short of elite. So, I peaked back at his D+1 season and up to this NHL preseason to see what I could identify both good and bad. I also took note of a specific physical aspect of his game that could lend itself to being a real difference maker.

As usual, this is not a highlight video, nor does it necessarily constitute "hype train"...

I usually love this type of video, but this one... I mean, is this some kind of trolling? Why would anyone choose to evaluate Michkov's hockey sense by his play for Kapitan Stupino? It was a part-time gig in MHL, mostly pointless, after a great season against adults. Temporary in every means, he didn't even wear his usual number 39. New coach, unfamiliar partners two levels below. Nevertheless, he single-handedly led them to the PO, but there was no chance after that. Yes, he played absolutely the "wrong" kind of hockey there. If you send Kucherov to ECHL now, you could probably also make a clip about the selfish Russian winger.
Regarding pre-season games. I didn't see anything in this clip that would indicate a lack of hockey sense (and you left a bunch of great passes off-screen).

 

[Kshahdoo]

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

There are quite a few people in here saying the same thing. I don't quite recall this happening for another prospect of this perceived caliber. Some are doing a better job of identifying what he does well and what he doesn't... like... the passing and vision is undoubtedly his best quality

But .. the smoke and fire connection is made for a reason. Maybe we shouldn't expect this kid to be Kucherov

 

[Fatass]

There are quite a few people in here saying the same thing. I don't quite recall this happening for another prospect of this caliber. Some are doing a better job of identifying what he does well and what he doesn't... like... the passing and vision is undoubtedly his best quality

But .. the smoke and fire connection is made for a reason. Maybe we shouldn't expect this kid to be Kucherov

Michkov is a lot like Kooch and all the guys who have unbelievable hockey sense. He sees the ice two steps ahead of the other players. He will need better talent around him though, that’s for sure. Flyers guys need to keep their sticks on the ice and go to the net when Michkov gets the puck. He’s going to find them, especially when no one else thinks he could.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

will this be the meltiest prospect thread of the 24-25 season? Early returns say yes

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

will this be the meltiest prospect thread of the 24-25 season? Early returns say yes

Probably, the craziest part is no one is forced to be here.

 

[Winston Wolf]

If you watch closely at 4:50, you can tell he's a locker room cancer and that all of his teammates hate him.

 

[Acallabeth]

Maybe we shouldn't expect this kid to be Kucherov

Did you expect 19-yo Kucherov to be The Kucherov?

If you watch closely at 4:50, you can tell he's a locker room cancer and that all of his teammates hate him.

His teammates almost beat him up because the shot he had scored dat OT winner on was so soft

 

[WADEugottaBELAKthat]

Did you expect 19-yo Kucherov to be The Kucherov?

His teammates almost beat him up because the shot he had scored dat OT winner on was so soft

19-year old Kuch got shipped out of Quebec by Patty Roy in favour of Grigorenko. Nobody had Kuch pegged for what he has become!

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'm pretty sure Michkov will become as good as Michkov i.e. very, very good.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

obviously the 19yo Michkov will not be Kuch

 

[Hockeypete49]

Matvei is a rink rat and I cannot believe how fast he is learning the language. His mother and brother here staying with him is a big plus. He is already a team and fan favorite here. I haven't been this excited about a player since 88 got here. Let the games begin.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Ok, so I'm no longer a troll or a dunce? That was quick haha

Anyhow...I'm still not sure what this buzzword "generational IQ" is ("you wouldn't!") but the whole "everyone sees it but (me)" thing is an odd claim...

HockeyProspect, Hockey Sense = 7 (of 9)
"To start, Michkov’s playmaking isn’t at the same level as some of the other top end prospects in this class."

...
"
He’s a gifted shooter but we wouldn’t label him a dynamic or even exceptional playmaker. He struggles to recognize weakside options or the highest percentage option in transition when comparing him to the other star players available, and his leading passes and overall passing trajectory leave him on the outside looking in compared to the high-end playmakers in this class."

(For the record, I did not write that in full or in part)

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EliteProspects, Hockey Sense = 8, Passing = 7
Sportsnet, Hockey Sense = 7 (of 10) [they also called his explosivity an 8/10, so nevermind]
THN: " He was playing hero hockey and ignoring open passing opportunities and finding himself in bad spots. "

Team scouts gushed about his shot and scoring ability much more than his playmaking. One told me, (paraphrasing) "Kucherov, except Kucherov is a passer" - but he liked Michkov a lot, of course.

It's the "generational IQ" thing that's unique, right? And I'm not looking for anyone to strive for consensus. Consensus is for losers, so I don't say that to try to ad populum you into anything...but in exchange, I don't need to be handed that "everyone but you has always said, he's a boy genius!"

I'm not going to list every player and prospect that has a higher IQ...I listed quite a few back when I was asked.

I'm not sure what the beef is with Demidov in this thread? I guess there's a pissing match of sorts? I made a video for Demidov a couple months ago. I like him a lot...that might renew the application on my cone-shaped cap though...

Look, I'm not here to change your mind. I'll have the conversation if there's a conversation to be had...but my desire to try to trade "internet gotchas" is pretty fleeting haha

All we are saying…. is don’t quit your day job, Michael.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Hockey sense and passing being seen as a weak point for Michkov is one of the wildest things written on this forum.