RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[FlyguyOX]

Not playing in game action for 7 months can certainly lead to fatigue in your first games back, no matter how hard you train.

It's really hard to simulate in-game pace.

Not to mention he easily led all forwards in ice time with nearly 20min

I said after one season not during the first season. And the Flyers have a different structure. Torts hockey makes them more competitive than an ordinary rebuilding team. That’s good for some points in the standings, even if it’s not going to get you to the playoffs on its own. Combine that with what Michkov will probably be, and I see them after a year being in about the place that they finished last season. Michkov’s level might offset the fluky nature of last season for them that we saw fade badly down the stretch, but I don’t see them being that bad in the way a team like the Hawks will be.

Flyers easily had the leagues worst PP. If the flyers are merely the same and make decent progress in their PP with Michkov then they should be in playoff contention again.

From what I’ve seen so far he’s mostly playmaking, so not sure how some of you see him scoring 30+. He’s not shooting much

At least not in his first season. looking at more like a 25-40 type year as a rookie

 

[MNRube]

Most intriguing rookie for me in a long time. Hope he shuts up all the haters with a 70+ point season. Kid is a surgeon with the puck.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

He will win rookie of the year this year

I'm as big of a Michkov fan as anyone, but given how Celebrini already looks .. he's shooting and scoring goals that I've yet to see Michkov score since I started watching him. Tbqh Michkov looks like he's struggling with his shot still. I'm confused about it given how good his shot looked in his D-1 year at the WJC.

But I don't see how Michkov wins the Calder when Celebrini's shooting ability is so much better right now

 

[Faceboner]

From what I’ve seen so far he’s mostly playmaking, so not sure how some of you see him scoring 30+. He’s not shooting much

I see him in the 20-25 goal area putting up 40-45 assists and as teams learn to respect his playmaking he will pot more and start getting 40 goals regularly by the time of his first contract I see him peaking with a 50 goal 70 plus assist season

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm as big of a Michkov fan as anyone, but given how Celebrini already looks .. he's shooting and scoring goals that I've yet to see Michkov score since I started watching him. Tbqh Michkov looks like he's struggling with his shot still. I'm confused about it given how good his shot looked in his D-1 year at the WJC.

But I don't see how Michkov wins the Calder when Celebrini's shooting ability is so much better right now

Michkov’s shooting doesn’t need to be that great because he scores so many goals around the net. 19 goals in 47 games at his age last year in the KHL is pretty good.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Michkov’s shooting doesn’t need to be that great because he scores so many goals around the net. 19 goals in 47 games at his age last year in the KHL is pretty good.

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer. At least with what he's showing us right now, he feels more like a 25 + 55 kind of player in his prime. Superstar production, I'm not sure tbh. He needs to prove that

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer. At least with what he's showing us right now, he feels more like a 25 + 55 kind of player in his prime. Superstar production, I'm not sure tbh. He needs to prove that

Johnny Gaudreau arguably should have won the Calder and became a star in the league on the back of his IQ. Michkov's bigger, stronger, and has a better shot than Gaudreau.

 

[FlyguyOX]

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer. At least with what he's showing us right now, he feels more like a 25 + 55 kind of player in his prime. Superstar production, I'm not sure tbh. He needs to prove that

Scoring goals that way, rather than just because you have a good shot, is much more repeatable and sustainable IMO

 

[Faceboner]

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer. At least with what he's showing us right now, he feels more like a 25 + 55 kind of player in his prime. Superstar production, I'm not sure tbh. He needs to prove that

His iq overshadows his immense raw talent not cover the lack of it he has 40 goal potential easily he will always find himself in high scoring areas akin to matthews

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Someone said it earlier and I truly believe young Michkov will Win the Calder(Rookie) award and score in the 25-30 goals range with 40-45 assists...and in no time flat be the Flyers best Forward(player)

 

[Kshahdoo]

From what I’ve seen so far he’s mostly playmaking, so not sure how some of you see him scoring 30+. He’s not shooting much

It's still NHL preseason games where are a lot of stupid shots. Players shoot to get used to the puck, ice, air, and everything of the new season. Michkov is a rookie and plays like always i.e. if all around shoot, he tries to make plays because someone has to do it. In the regular they'll get chemistry, and players start to pass the puck to him, and it's when we'll see his shot.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

His iq overshadows his immense raw talent not cover the lack of it he has 40 goal potential easily he will always find himself in high scoring areas akin to matthews

I think there are a lot of people think Matthews scores his goals with a ferocious windup and shooting power in the way Ovechkin did. He doesn’t. He has a hard shot. It’s. The power is certainly good, but it’s not that good. The release is great, as is the accuracy, and he finds the right spots and the puck seems to always gravitate to him when he’s open. Michkov can do the same things. He’s not the same size, but I see a similar type of goal scorer and I personally think he has the same type of goal scoring potential.

 

[Fantomas]

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer.

Nobody's raising any doubt except for you. The 'lack of raw talent' is just something you imagined and then chose to post. Not sure why, to embarrass yourself it seems.

It's still NHL preseason games

It's been like one game. But the hot takes are coming.

 

[Rebels57]

So essentially his IQ is carrying his lack of raw talent. Sure, you could maybe win a Calder on that, but it raises doubt regarding the projections that he could be a 40 goal scorer. At least with what he's showing us right now, he feels more like a 25 + 55 kind of player in his prime. Superstar production, I'm not sure tbh. He needs to prove that

Michkov does not lack for "raw talent." Not one bit.

Plays his 1st preseason game, registers 2 primary assists, has his raw talent questioned. This place is wild lol.

 

[Drew4u]

The problem with Michkov is that KHL production means shit. Russia sucks at developing NHL talent.

You could dominate the KHL at a young age and still not do shit in the NHL. I think part of it is the "lazy" Russian effect. Look at Kuzmenko. He's already turned into shit because he doesn't have the work ethic to succeed.

For every Kaprizov that comes from the KHL, there is 1000 Kuzmenkos, Kovalchuks, Shipachev. I honestly think there is a " pro-Russian" bias on this board and that's why this kid gets attention.

He"ll be gone back to Russia in a year.

 

[MNRube]

He"ll be gone back to Russia in a year.

He will be back in Russia next year…as a proven NHL star preparing for the 25-26 Flyers season

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The problem with Michkov is that KHL production means shit. Russia sucks at developing NHL talent.

You could dominate the KHL at a young age and still not do shit in the NHL. I think part of it is the "lazy" Russian effect. Look at Kuzmenko. He's already turned into shit because he doesn't have the work ethic to succeed.

For every Kaprizov that comes from the KHL, there is 1000 Kuzmenkos, Kovalchuks, Shipachev. I honestly think there is a " pro-Russian" bias on this board and that's why this kid gets attention.

He"ll be gone back to Russia in a year.

Yeah, god forbid Michkov has a Kovalchuk type of career. What a terrible player.

 

[Faceboner]

I think there are a lot of people think Matthews scores his goals with a ferocious windup and shooting power in the way Ovechkin did. He doesn’t. He has a hard shot. It’s. The power is certainly good, but it’s not that good. The release is great, as is the accuracy, and he finds the right spots and the puck seems to always gravitate to him when he’s open. Michkov can do the same things. He’s not the same size, but I see a similar type of goal scorer and I personally think he has the same type of goal scoring potential.

The way he plays reminds me kind of a crosby/matthews hybrid the way he is able to control the puck down low and behind the net and play the cycle reminds of them. But as you said the way he gets open in the right spots in the soft areas and high danger areas his movement is great flyers got lucky nabbing him at 7 reminds of guys like jagr and selanne in terms of draft situation/pedigree

 

[nergish]

The problem with Michkov is that KHL production means shit. Russia sucks at developing NHL talent.

You could dominate the KHL at a young age and still not do shit in the NHL. I think part of it is the "lazy" Russian effect. Look at Kuzmenko. He's already turned into shit because he doesn't have the work ethic to succeed.

For every Kaprizov that comes from the KHL, there is 1000 Kuzmenkos, Kovalchuks, Shipachev. I honestly think there is a " pro-Russian" bias on this board and that's why this kid gets attention.

He"ll be gone back to Russia in a year.

Put down the edibles, bro.
You’re comparing a recent high draft pick to guys who came to NA later. There’s just no comparison to be made.

Kovalchuk is a weird name to mention, he had a very solid career… who wouldn’t want a player like that? Canucks sold high on Kuzmenko, but scoring ~40 goals even once is enough to stick in the league for years; he’s not going anywhere.

If you aren’t impressed by Michkov’s skills, then I question your talent evaluation.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The problem with Michkov is that KHL production means shit. Russia sucks at developing NHL talent.

You could dominate the KHL at a young age and still not do shit in the NHL. I think part of it is the "lazy" Russian effect. Look at Kuzmenko. He's already turned into shit because he doesn't have the work ethic to succeed.

For every Kaprizov that comes from the KHL, there is 1000 Kuzmenkos, Kovalchuks, Shipachev. I honestly think there is a " pro-Russian" bias on this board and that's why this kid gets attention.

He"ll be gone back to Russia in a year.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Johnny Gaudreau arguably should have won the Calder and became a star in the league on the back of his IQ. Michkov's bigger, stronger, and has a better shot than Gaudreau.

Michkov's shot has been very lackluster recently. Just saying it like it is. I'm a Michkov fan and a Flyers fan. I'm just keeping things real. There's something wrong with his shooting confidence, or his stick, as well as breakaway situations

The last time I saw him score a goal that was only scored due to shooting talent (a goal that is otherwise unscorable without the required shooting talent) was in his draft year to be honest

Nobody's raising any doubt except for you. The 'lack of raw talent' is just something you imagined and then chose to post. Not sure why, to embarrass yourself it seems.



It's been like one game. But the hot takes are coming.

I'm a Flyers fan. I'm just keeping it real. He is not a natural when it comes to shooting talent, individual scoring efforts, etc. Everything he does is worked through teammates. Superstars have the ability to take over a game and find twine without using anyone else except for a decoy

Take a look at the goal Celebrini just scored yesterday. When's the last time Michkov did anything like that? It's not his thing, at all. He's almost entirely a playmaker, at least recently

 

[Kshahdoo]

Michkov's shot has been very lackluster recently. Just saying it like it is. I'm a Michkov fan and a Flyers fan. I'm just keeping things real. There's something wrong with his shooting confidence, or his stick, as well as breakaway situations

The last time I saw him score a goal that was only scored due to shooting talent (a goal that is otherwise unscorable without the required shooting talent) was in his draft year to be honest


I'm a Flyers fan. I'm just keeping it real. He is not a natural when it comes to shooting talent, individual scoring efforts, etc. Everything he does is worked through teammates. Superstars have the ability to take over a game and find twine without using anyone else except for a decoy

Take a look at the goal Celebrini just scored yesterday. When's the last time Michkov did anything like that? It's not his thing, at all. He's almost entirely a playmaker, at least recently

Have you watched this?

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Have you watched this?

I've watched essentially every second of every shift Michkov has played with Sochi. Last season, his two nicest goals scored from farther out were the one on Zach Fucale, where he had a great screen to work with. The shot wasn't a burner at all. It was accurate though.

The other good one was the wide angle shot to the far side past the goalie's left arm, I forget which opponent it was

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I also recognize that Michkov is essentially still a child when it comes to his body and athleticism. He put on some weight yes, but now his explosiveness is f***ed. He used to be way more explosive and his release used to be better. I've never seen anything like it tbh. It's confusing

But, that means he has incredible growth yet to be done as an athlete. Unlike Michkov, Bedard is quite mature physically already, and much closer to his peak athletic form. If Bedard gained any more lean, athletic muscle, he'd be starting to sign up for body building competitions

 

[Redpath]

Have you watched this?

Comparing his tape last year to his U-18 tape. His lethal shot was barely used in Sochi last season.

Maybe it's evolving play style. Maybe it's him adjusting to better competition. Maybe his shot it just waiting to come out of the woodwork.

I want to see him rip it like this more.