Kaako Kappo
Kaako Kappo
He has enormous potential. How much of it will he tap into? We'll see in a few years. I think Laine will be a superstar.
RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 2
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Hopefully he will be a superstar in hockey, instead of fortnite
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Laine had 2 goals in a recent game, I expect he starts to heat up now that the season is winding down.
Remember that Rantanen played in TPS. Worst team in Liiga at time. In many games seemed that Rantanen is playing alone offensively. I was really impressed of Rantanen doing in that team and for me he was better prospect than guy with great shot (Laine) and support of top players in league. So even he did great job I still think I see guy who is playing "alone" u18 in adult elite serie more impressive than boosted u18 who wins championship in top1 ranked team in season (like Laine was) and got huge responbility in WJC u20 with one of best lines and playes in top PP line.
In u20 Kakko played with Lundell 16yo and Linus Nyman in most games. So u compare Aho, Puljujärvi who was linemates in Kärpät and Ahos hockey IQ to Nyman/Lundell. Also in Liiga I would say 15-16 Tappara K. Kuusela, J-M Järvinen/J. Lajunen are bit better names than O. Palve, Z. Budish/M. Nurmi. You can say that Kuuselas MVP in FEL regular season and most points was cause Laine but then u forget that Laine was mosly in shadows whole fall. I see that yes Laine boosted K. Kuuselas stats but without Kuusela Laine would be whole season mediocre player in FEL. like he was before responsibility. So for these reasons I would bet my money that Kakko will be better player overall in future than Laine. Maybe never will have so good shot or many 40g+ seasons but overall PPG will be way better and will be more valueable for team than Laine.
Im wondering is youre ice hockey prospects only by their d-1 results? Does this apply in NHL players aswell? So is Kucherov way better player than Mcdavid, cause he has better points and playing in way better team with better linemates (propably TBL will will Stanley Cup this year aswell)? And for that reason McDavid will have any change in that competition for next 5 years. Right?
And dont get me wrong... I dont say Kakko should be #1 prospect, cause I dont know much about Hughes, and comparing top line in development team against "youngsters" and junior who is playing in adult elite serie (even it is world #5 elite league) isnt so easy.
Pavel Buchnevich
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He also had a goal in his last game. He has 108 goals in 217 career games. He's a .5GPG player. He goes into a slump, and now he's apparently not a star. Only 19 players in NHL history have averaged .500 GPG or better.
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I started reading this story and the whole narrative breaks down in fifth sentence (should we ignore your own opinion just before) while the entire context is based on inaccurate facts. I'm left with an impression of thinking did this guy watch Tappara, like at all?
Kuusela and Laine played in the different lines throughout the entire year (apart from maybe 1 or 2 playoff games). He didn't really play with Järvinen or Lajunen either (who were first line players). Laine's most common line mates were Peltola and Ilomäki, of which neither were exactly the kind of offensive juggernauts of which again goes against the imaged (or imaginary) storyline here. In fact the opposite. Prior to 2015-16 Peltola had scored a whopping 24 points in the league (in 47 games) and 2015-16 turned out to be his career year, thanks to Laine. Same with Ilomäki, career record of 21 points prior to 15-16 followed by another career year of 33 points. At the time both of them were considered more of defensive orientated players as the production already indicates.
"Laine boosting Kuusela's stats", erm come again? Kuusela being an elite player at this level at this time and winning MVP in the regular season had little to do with Laine, aside from playing in the same poweplay unit. Let alone Laine being a mediocre player without Kuusela whom he never even played with as far as the regular season goes and apart from special unit (PP). Like seriously? Nevermind Tappara being a #1 team in the league? Oh please. Tappara really didn't have all that much offensive depth especially compared to other top teams like Kärpät for instance and they couldn't even afford to promote Laine to the first line because they would have been a one line team. Tappara would have never have made anywhere near of winning the playoffs without him. They would never have even made it to the finals for that matter. There's just so many misplaced pieces here that it's almost funny.
Yeah Rantanen might have been playing "alone" but applying the same logic, so did Laine. Both made things happen by themselves, but the latter was still more effective. Now I don't know what this all has to do with Kakko, but I thought I'd at least correct some of these "facts" straight. Now with that said, I thought Rantanen was misutilized and if I remember correctly, he didn't really get the chance to play as much powerplay as he should have, nor the minutes that he deserved, but still, there's a reason why one of them went 2nd and the other one 10th.
I still think Laine tops every Finnish prospect/player as far as the ceiling goes, as his type of players (who can score from basically anywhere) and have the skill, size and the hockey IQ, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will reach that height. Bigger guys tend to take more time to develop and Laine certainly still is WIP. We'll know more in the coming years as far as he's concerned. Kakko on the other hand looks so well rounded and his ability to control the game, score goals as well as have the ability to be a game-breaker also now seem indisputable. Then again, he got the starting position that I doubt any Finnish prospect (aside from Barkov) has ever had that gave him the edge over the others. Kakko was slotted in the first line with elite line mate(s) from game one and has been playing prime minutes ever since. I don't think his numbers really do him much honor though and it has amazed me how little his team mates have been able to capitalize from all the grade A chances throughout the year. Numbers aside, whoever drafts him is going to get a real gem and a corner stone.
This. It amazes me to see how short memory people tend to have here or how they are able to only live in the moment and forgetting the past almost entirely. Now suddenly ~3 months > 2+ years? Right.
Excellent post Sir! You managed to fix all the false claims in the post that you quoted. Thanks, as you also saved some time and effort for me!
So what was Tapparas PP line where Laine played? He did 9 goals on PP while regular season of his 17 goals, 14p of 33p on PP. 5 goals of his 10 geals postseason was also on PP and 8p/15. So for me its more false that Laine wasnt playing with those guys when producing more than half points on season and postseason on PP.
Yes Kuusela is elite player in FEL. but I was saying that linemates/team really matters in ice hockey and when looking youre succeed of induviduals. And in my eyes ippenator is making laine god what he did for his succeed, not only induvidual efforts or talents.... Like for me is hard to see some OHL prospects playing alone in line as starplayer and compare him to Marner,Debrincat,Mcdavid,Strome while we got these kind godlike pointmakers in same line. And according ippenator i really was suprised that some of those was underrated cause Mcdavid. Yes mcdavid was own chapter, but still when line is full of top prospects i believe that also boosted mcdavid stats, not only he's linemates like many looked it that way.
But overall you are totally right in youre post... U did make things straight, but still I totally think that when we are speak about succeed that even mcdavid can be top1 prospect without having lot of league records and winning all tournaments with good team like ippenator seems to be claiming. And what comes to Laine I like him, but outside he's sniping abilities I just dont see him neither close as good as Barkov, Aho, Rantanen or Kakko (what comes to he's strenghts and team playing). But still Laine is best sniper we had atm or actually finland has ever have.
Excellent post Sir! You managed to fix all the false claims in the post that you quoted. Thanks, as you also saved some time and effort for me!
Well atleast i like to look whole picture and im not blind fanboy. U have youreself picking up succeed whole time "what laine did when he was u5, and u10 and so on... but seems u are closing youre eyes from all enviormental things around induviduals. I wouldnt be much supprised if u was also comparing Puljujärvi to Mcdavid few years ago. Cause u see how puljujärvi crushed mcdavid... and puljujärvi is total blast in fel between aho/pyörälä and mcdavid is playing just some junior ohl hockey.
Ok i totally get you. Just another blind fanboy.... no wonder puljujärvi was so hyped and #4 pick...
And what false was in my post? That he wasnt playing with Kuusela but still produced over half points with kuusela? That he didnt got boosted... when half of hes points was on pp with top players? or that he played in WJC u20 with one of best player in tournament who has chemistry with another his linemate which made both better producing players? And if scouts are doing same from fan perspective and not giving shit about induviduals surroundings then no wonder that eu prospects are so badly picked and many diamonds stays in EU.
Why you are inventing stories of me hyping Puljujärvi and claiming that he would have been better or even close to the league of McDavid? I have been a big fan of Laine and Aho for several years already, but I was already quite early in fact criticising Pulju and his lack of hockey IQ and puck skills.
I still see both Laine and Aho as extremely special players, and as they both will still develop a lot physically they will both still become clearly better than they have been so far. Of course right now it looks like Aho will be the clearly better player of the two, although I wouldn’t yet count on it. Only when we know that Laine has pretty much achieved the physical level that he is capable of, only then we know for sure if he can be a clearly better player than he is at the moment.
I do think that Laine should still be able to gain a clearly better physical level with his leg muscle explosiveness during the next two years. Just like Rantanen was able to do with the same trainer that Laine has been training with. If that happens, Laine will be A LOT better than he is at the moment. But lets see how it goes - only time will tell the answer. Sure Laine has had now a pretty disappointing season, but he is still in the middle of his physical development, which usually also takes a longer time for guys of his size. But even if Aho will stay as the clearly better player in the future, that wouldn’t after all surprise me that much, as I have seen him already as an extremely talented player for more than three years already.
And yes you were still completely wrong with your post, as Laine didn’t play much at all with the players you mentioned on 5 on 5 hockey. And when he played practically the whole season with offensively less than average (before that season) players like Peltola and Ilomäki, Laine in fact managed to drag both of them to their clear career highs in points, despite himself being a 17-18 years old rookie then. Rantanen was btw 18-19 old in his TPS season that you mentioned so comparing their seasons is completely useless because of their age difference already. Definitely nice to see though that Mikko has become such a great player now that he is in his 22-23 year old season. Lets see how good Laine will be at the same age. I’m still quite confident that he will be at least at the same level with Rantanen, but lets see that in two years...
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Hammer Slammer
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Normally I've got these hidden behind a paywall nowadays, but here is his hat trick game in case anyone wants to check it out. I did a video for his games on the 13th, 15th, and 16th.
True but when looking highlights you will see that of hes 8-9 of 10 goals he was participating there is kuusela, lajunen, savinainen or plastina on ice. So for me that is more accurate than only roster's which has been marked for game. Or does it means that laine didnt produce actually anything 5vs5 with his "linemates"? So many times there is lajunen with laine and also kuusela at 5vs5... But only in few highlight i found Ilomäki and Peltola.
So is my argue false where i say that laine was "boosted". Well in this case u cant speak that he was carried cause guy obviosly is well talented, but to give responsibility and elite players around him did boost his stats/succeed. But anyway my point is that induviduals makes team and team is key for succeed and elite lvl stats for induviduals. So Im not disrespecting Laine, but straight comparing players in totally different enviorments isnt working with only stats if not taking whole enviorment in count to make working analytics. And if we are speaking about prospects you trully should look whole picture.
Rantanen did play d-1 36g with 9p and no responsibily at all. Even then he did do great things with puck but there wasnt many player who could help him to produce points. Same thing happened in his breakthrou season. If u look those highlights u will notice that there wasnt many even star FEL players in hes lines.
Reason Im not actually participating in Hughes/Kakko conversation, cause I just dont have enought info about USDP, Hughes teammates nor how good competition is around USDP. I just see Kakko is doing great in elite serie, got responsibility and improving own gameplay. See much great stuff in him. But maybe not as good hockey iq than Aho or Rantanen, but not bad neither when compare lot of good playmakers, but then finnishing skill is above 2 players mentioned and if development continues as this, I really expect one of best finnish player in NHL.
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Kind of disappointing to see him back with Filppula as his center. It seemed like Kakko and Palve were a good fit for each other in the recent games.
Kaako Kappo
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Holy crap this is such an amateur move by the coach. Why would you change things so radically when a line is hot? Filppula is so out of it they're basically 4v5 whenever that line is iced. He even changed the #1 PP. Ridiculous, really.
E: At the end of second period he looked really frustrated, kicking air and cursing. No wonder, looking at that line play probably causes eye cancer.
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Imagine how many points Kakko could have this game if he didn't have to play with Filppula instead of Palve, especially after him and Palve had shown such chemistry.
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Age is catching up to Filppula faaastt, the guy is looking so out of place with Kakko
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Can't believe they broke up perfectly working tandem for Filppula, who's game was so awful that sometimes I don't know if he himself knew what he was doing. Kakko was pushing hard on the third but wasn't enough. Oh well, maybe they'll be wiser come next game.
I understand that this is prospects board, but the only job for a coach is not to maximize the points output of a prospect. TPS coaching has only one job: to win the championship. Filppula has played with Kakko before and now was out for a month. Maybe they want to put him in a line with Kakko so that Kakko can jump start Filppula. Obviously they are trying to get maximum out of their whole lineup in the playoffs, not just from Kakko in one particular regular season game.
Kaako Kappo
Kaako Kappo
Filppula is a great player, one of the best players in Liiga. I just do not like the thought of trying to get him back into the groove at the expense of very well working #1 PP and 1st line is very good coaching. The result was that the first line and the second line both looked like ass, even though Palve did score a goal on that second line. While i do it mostly to watch Kakko, i also watch TPS because i root for them and like ice-hockey. TPS did not provide me with very good ice hockey last night (actually the polar opposite), and i think it was a direct result of unnecessary tinkering of lines that should not have been tinkered with. Let Filppula figure it out on the second or third line.
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You're not talking about the same thing I was talking about. Lehto says that they've probably already decided that if TPS goes into the finals, Kakko will play in those finals instead of the U18 WJC. That's obviously a no-brainer. I don't understand why he even had to add the part "luulen, että" there. It would be moronic for TPS to release him for a boys' tournament in that scenario.
That article didn't talk about Kakko's plans for late April in the case TPS doesn't make it to the finals, and that's what I was talking about. Should he join the men's national team right away to be a part of their training camp, or should he go to the U18 Worlds. The men's team is playing Norway on April 18th and 19th in Rovaniemi and Kokkola, and Sweden on April 25th and 26th in Kouvola and Helsinki. He definitely wouldn't be playing in those games if he goes to the U18 Worlds.
Even if he goes to the U18 tournament, he'd still have time to play in a few pre-tournament games for the men's team, or if he really shines in the FEL playoffs, he could be chosen into the men's WHC team without even "auditioning" for Jalonen at the EHT. I think I'd rather see him fighting for the U18 gold than playing in exhibition games against Sweden. He might be about as dominant as Puljujärvi was three years ago. Imagine him with Lundell playing against Swedish boys in Örnsköldsvik. It would be murder.
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I think Kakko hasn't got any great weaknesses, starting to look better defensively also, I really can't see why hughes would go before Kakko, eventhough it does not matter should he go first or second or 30th.
I think Kakko hasn't got any great weaknesses, starting to look better defensively also, I really can't see why hughes would go before Kakko, eventhough it does not matter should he go first or second or 30th.
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