RW/C Elias Pettersson (2017, 5th, VAN) Part 5
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Ainec
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"likely"? Sure we're a few years away
but how do you proclaim 2017 draft as weak after 1 dominant +1 season. You don't find what you're saying now contradictory?
you’re literally dumb if you think this is a fact that you’re spitting in my face. they’ve had another year to develop.
Ainec
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??? "if you think this is a fact" What fact, I'm just pointing out how you were saying:
"2017 draft is weak" in 2017
"2017 draft is weak" in 2018
"2017 draft is weak and 2018 is much better" in 2018
you talked mad trash but you lost WJC pool to me and that’s facts
come back to me in 3 years and we’ll see which draft is better.
Ainec
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I didn't say 2018 was worse. I'm just laughing at you saying 2017 was weak and then later saying it's weak because 2018 is better, and now saying you won because I think 2018 is weaker (no lol)
wtf mod
also I won the first year WJC draft (1st is most important, it's the first name you see afterall) and you lost to me. You won the 2nd year due to poehling luck. Why would you even bring that up, I went 16-0 year 1
What's impressive about 2017 relative to other years in their D+2 compared to other recent classes. It's looking slightly better then 2012 and 2014. But, look at what 2015, and 2016 were doing in their draft plus 2? Pettersson is amazing, but that doesn't change the overall draft. Hischier and Heiskanen are also making an impact. Look at who was making a big impact for their teams for 2015 and 2016 in year 2.
2016: Matthews, Laine, PLD, Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy, and Debrincat. Guys like Girard and Bratt were also playing well.
2015: McDavid, Eichel, Marner, Provorov, Werenski, Aho, and Konecny. Rantanen played well on a terrible team. Plus, a bunch broke out in year 3 (although that is an unfair point to judge them relative to 2017).
2017 right now has three guys who would make either of those lists. In a year where scoring is up, only Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season. Heiskanen is good, but his year isn't much different than McAvoy, Provorov or Werenski's draft +2. Mittelstadt, Thomas, Rasmussen, and Chytil are getting minutes, but aren't on pace to break 40. Patrick really struggled, but maybe will have a strong 2nd half like last year. I'd still say, even in a re-draft, it's a below average year.
Ainec
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you can't compare any draft with 2015, that's an outlier
2016 is an above average draft, better than 2017 and 2018. But the point was people such as Tryamkin were calling 2017 weak, as in 2011, 2012 fashion when it's one of the stronger drafts in the last decade
since 2008
2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 are all arguably weaker. So it's not below average
Heiskanen is also the best skating dmen and has better hands than all the dmen you listed. Maybe Werenski at one point had a higher offensive ceiling
It is still unlikely to be one of the stronger drafts of the decade. 2016 was sizably better at the same point, and I'd classify it as above average. 2013 tracked in a weird fashion but is likely to be significantly better than 2017. 2018 is better in the comparable draft +1 point of each draft. 2010 was better. We will see how it stacks up against 2011. I don't think it's likely that it finishes better than average relative to the decade.
Star Ocean
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Agree with most of this. But to say that Pettersson is on pace to put up a 60 point season is selling him short. Over a complete season he would be on pace for about 90 points or so.
I misphrased it, or my point was unclear. My point more was, Pettersson is the only person who is an odds on favorite to get more than 60 points (Hischier is about a coin-flip) at this point. Not that he'd only get 60 points.
GetFocht
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2018 > 2017, i don't care how you spin it ya weasel.
i won by more points this year than you did last year.
Peeps
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Imagine if we had won the draft in 2018..
Dahlin and Pettersson would have been dynamic.
Ainec
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When I read it, “ya weasel” sounded like a term of endearment in my head, if it makes you feel any better.
BiggBird
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correct,
j’adore la A-I-N-E-C
His best move imo was a gif posted in the athletic where he was in his own zone, dragged the puck around compher, flipped the puck off his foot then up to his stick for a breakout pass.
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