News Article: Rutherford and Johnston are staying. Both of them.

[Darth Vitale]

Fantasy land scenario: Mike Babcock, coach/GM. Dave Tippett, assistant.

Don't tease me.

While we're at it how about just make Babcock the GM and Tippett the coach?

 

[KIRK]

Didn't respond to this earlier. Thanks for posting it. Don't know if this is a rumor type thing or if your friend actually knows people in the organization (directly), but it's interesting if nothing else.


NHL.com now reporting this about Johnston and Rutherford, witha more expansive quote. Probably alreadty been noted somewhere but in case it hasn't



Nice work with the politician-speak, jerk-ball. Please punch yourself in the face for me. Never once considered = past tense, no bearing on current or future considerations. Then stating what everyone knows as if it's news. This is like having David Axelrod or Karl Rove as our CEO. Good times.

I would not be surprised if Guerin is the AGM with the most influence by far.

 

[KIRK]

Don't tease me.

While we're at it how about just make Babcock the GM and Tippett the coach?

I think what makes Babcock the guy who gets so many excited here is our knowledge that the only way he'd take the job is with 100% organizational control and what that would mean for this team's cluster**** management team.

EDIT: I suspect Babcock would bring in a good capologist, a good admin type, and a strong scouting voice.

 

[Darth Vitale]

I would not be surprised if Guerin is the AGM with the most influence by far.

This team makes my head hurt.

 

[#1GuinFan]

Fantasy land scenario: Mike Babcock, coach/GM. Dave Tippett, assistant.

Thats very much a fantasy as I doubt Tippett will ever be anything less than a head-coach. he's just too good.

 

[KIRK]

Thats very much a fantasy as I doubt Tippett will ever be anything less than a head-coach. he's just too good.

I'd be fine with him if we can't get Babcock.

 

[Pancakes]

I'd be thrilled to have Babcock as a coach but I dunno about having him as a GM. That guy loves vets.

 

[Darth Vitale]

I'd be thrilled to have Babcock as a coach but I dunno about having him as a GM. That guy loves vets.

Could be right on that one. It's the one real knock against him.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

News flash; every coach loves vets. Nobody outright favors prospects/rookies/unproven guys.

Our problem is that we have an abundance of horrendous players, not that they're vets.

Hell, look at Detroit. They have a handful of really good, young players making an impact on their team right now, and a few more waiting in the wings for next season. There's no Craig Adams or Rob Scuderi ****ing over their top prospects' development or ice time.

 

[Pancakes]

News flash; every coach loves vets. Nobody outright favors prospects/rookies/unproven guys.

Our problem is that we have an abundance of horrendous players, not that they're vets.

Hell, look at Detroit. They have a handful of really good, young players making an impact on their team right now, and a few more waiting in the wings for next season. There's no Craig Adams or Rob Scuderi ****ing over their top prospects' development or ice time.

I don't care about having a coach that loves vets because you're right in that every coach does.

But I sure as hell don't want a GM that thinks that way. We badly need a gm willing to give youth a chance.

 

[Hottubber]

News flash; every coach loves vets. Nobody outright favors prospects/rookies/unproven guys.

Our problem is that we have an abundance of horrendous players, not that they're vets.

Hell, look at Detroit. They have a handful of really good, young players making an impact on their team right now, and a few more waiting in the wings for next season. There's no Craig Adams or Rob Scuderi ****ing over their top prospects' development or ice time.

Talk to wings fans about Cleary before this year lol. He was their Adams. Although not nearly as bad

 

[td_ice]

News flash; every coach loves vets. Nobody outright favors prospects/rookies/unproven guys.

Our problem is that we have an abundance of horrendous players, not that they're vets.

Hell, look at Detroit. They have a handful of really good, young players making an impact on their team right now, and a few more waiting in the wings for next season. There's no Craig Adams or Rob Scuderi ****ing over their top prospects' development or ice time.

Yeah, they actually draft and develop young players. Babcock fell into Nyquist and Tatar into though. Only a rash of injuries allowed them to get into the lineup over the vets.

Still would take Babcock though.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Talk to wings fans about Cleary before this year lol. He was their Adams. Although not nearly as bad

Even at Cleary's worst, he was lightyears above Adams' best.

 

[KIRK]

Yeah, they actually draft and develop young players. Babcock fell into Nyquist and Tatar into though. Only a rash of injuries allowed them to get into the lineup over the vets.

Still would take Babcock though.

End of the day, he'd be the best thing in the world for Sid and Geno, and, as the only way he'd take the job is with fully authority, the other impact would be on this team's ****** up front office.

 

[ColePens]

I'm willing to put all my eggs in Tippett's/Babcock's basket and that is the good and the bad. Babcock will drive some people insane with player usage but the guy gets the best out of his team.

But it ain't happening. Pipe dream stuff.

 

[Pancakes]

I'm willing to put all my eggs in Tippett's/Babcock's basket and that is the good and the bad. Babcock will drive some people insane with player usage but the guy gets the best out of his team.

But it ain't happening. Pipe dream stuff.

I truly have no hope that anything will go right this off season. My only hope for next year is that we stay relatively healthy. If we do, we'll at least be pretty good. We won't be a cup contender but we might win a playoff series or two.

 

[KIRK]

I'm willing to put all my eggs in Tippett's/Babcock's basket and that is the good and the bad. Babcock will drive some people insane with player usage but the guy gets the best out of his team.

But it ain't happening. Pipe dream stuff.

Babcock won't drive me insane with respect to how he'd use Sid and Geno, and that alone would make hiring him worth it.

Same goes for Tippett.

You know what, when Malkin first came into this league, I heard Pierre McGuire describe his game as being like Ron Francis on steroids. When Sid got hurt in 2007-2008 and Malkin had his coming out and people starting interviewing Dave King, I heard King say that Rick Nash as a penalty killer reminded him of Malkin (who as a teen was a lead PK player for Russia at the Olympics). Therrien . . . I remember him with this whole 'we've got a plan' thing for the young players, including Malkin. But, he actually had one. Think about it, when Therrien got fired, Malkin was pretty much like an in his prime Vinny LeCavalier who was really starting to get introduced to the PK and in all critical situations.

What happened to that Malkin?

****, same goes for Sid too, no?

You look back at the players they were when this team won the cup, and from pretty much that day they've been misused and otherwise treated as if there nothing left for them to learn.

It's like they became cheaters out there over the last few years. They were encouraged to cheat.

Babcock, Tippett, whoever . . . all I want is for Sid and Geno finally to have a coach worthy of their talents and a coach who will know how to get the most out of them.

If it's Babcock, Sid will be his Zetterberg and Malkin will be his Datsyuk, and they will LOVE him for it.

EDIT: Fantasy rant over. As you said, ain't happening.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

One could argue that what they've done is quite the opposite.

I mean, think about it, you are gifted two generational talents. Your entire organizational approach to team building SHOULD be to build around those two first and then worry about everything else second. This organization has worried about everything else first and then put thought into building around Sid and Geno last.

You couldn't script a way to **** it up much better than they have.

I can think of a few org that would have ****ed things up much worse. They won a cup, so we can't say they completely screwed the pooch. However, there have been so many mind numbing decisions this org has made over the last 5+ years, you would think someone with power was trying to sabotage this franchise.

It's been a bizarre and frustrating ride.

 

[PKV Jungle Friends]

For anyone here that watched Calgary/Vancouver this evening, you feel the pain of realizing how damn boring our favorite team is.

That was a real hockey game. Speed, passes that connect and the puck actually went in the net!

Yes, I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I don't care.

 

[td_ice]

For anyone here that watched Calgary/Vancouver this evening, you feel the pain of realizing how damn boring our favorite team is.

That was a real hockey game. Speed, passes that connect and the puck actually went in the net!

Yes, I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I don't care.

Oh agreed.


Basically all other playoff teams compared to ours.


We have slow, vanilla, low skilled vets.

 

[Cherpak]

For anyone here that watched Calgary/Vancouver this evening, you feel the pain of realizing how damn boring our favorite team is.

That was a real hockey game. Speed, passes that connect and the puck actually went in the net!

Yes, I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I don't care.

You described just about every other series besides ours. We looked like the freaking Devils out there.

 

[billybudd]

Even at Cleary's worst, he was lightyears above Adams' best.

But not as good as Kunitz, currently.

 

[Confounding Factor]

I'm so glad we didn't hire Willie Desjardins. Horrible stuff.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I'd be thrilled to have Babcock as a coach but I dunno about having him as a GM. That guy loves vets.

That's the biggest knock on Babcock. He had Adams type love for Dan Cleary who had nothing for years. Then again, Holland was like Shero and kept re-signing him.

Supposedly Babcock wanted to coach a team with some youth too so he'd be coming to the wrong place

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I'm so glad we didn't hire Willie Desjardins. Horrible stuff.

Looked like Bylsma 2.0.