Prospect Info: Rutger McGroarty, 2022 NHL Draft, #14 Overall

[Mortimer Snerd]

So lets say the Jets had guaranteed him a spot to get him to sign a contract, at least verbally, and then it turns out after training camp next season and a few games, he just isn't ready. So the Jets send him to the Moose. Then what? Two seconds after being sent to the Moose he's demanding a trade, because , well he was promised a NHL spot, and the Jets lied to him in his mind. Yet he's being sent down because of his poor play.

Just a scenario, but it's a no win for the Jets. This is why NO prospect can be promised or guaranteed anything, If you start down that path, you can't win as an organization. Other prospects will see these guarantees and demand them as well.

And I don't give a rats ass what sacrifices you or your family made to get you here. That was your choice, not the NHL team. You want to play in the NHL, then you earn it.

Yes. There is a line in the sand that teams can't cross. If players start arbitrarily drawing a line of their own this is going to be the result.

The team can go as far as saying that there will be a position for you - IF you can win it. They can say that you will be given every opportunity to win it. But they have to stop short of making any kind of guarantee.

 

[WolfHouse]

If we dump mcgro and ehlers and end up with Laine... that's a tad depressing

 

[Gil Fisher]

Buffalo - Kulich and a 2nd
Islanders - 2024 Tampa Bay 1st + 2nd LA 2024
CBJ - Mateychuk + 2nd

I like Kulich and Mateychuk a lot more than the TB 1st rounder.

I'm pretty agnostic between Kulich and Mateychuk as I think about it. It would probably depend on other moves that could dictate whether we take the defenseman or the forward.

Having Mateychuk and Salamonsson as your top pairing on the Moose next year would be something.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Its a weird suggestion that the Jets haven't "eased" rookies into the lineup when that is exactly what they have been doing

2022/23 - Perfetti(20) 51 games/Gus(22) -46 games/Heinola 10 games
2021/22 - Perfetti(19) 18 games/Heinola(21) 12 games/Samberg(22) 15 games/Barron(22) 14 games /Ves(22) 53 games
2020/21 - Heinola(19) 5 games/ Gus(20) 4 games/Ves(21)12 games/PLD (22)41 games/Stanley(22)37 games
2019/20 - Heinola(18) 8 games/Gus(19) 22 games/Laine(21) 68 games/ Luoto(21) 16 games/ Connor(22) 76 games/ Roslovic(22) 71 games/Niku(22) 17 games
2018/19 - Ves(19) 5 games/Laine(20) 82 games/Connor(21) 82 games/ Roslovic(21) 77 games/ Niku(22) 30 games/ Ehlers(22) 62 games/Lemieux(22) 44 games/Apples(22) 36 gams
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I can keep going back and showing it but its just weird that this meme that we are not incorporating young players into lineup is exactly what we have been doing and we do it so well we either churn out star NHL players or trade them for NHL players.

OK, I concede.
I was thinking of a few who were not brought in and forgetting some of the ones who were.

 

[surixon]

I like Kulich and Mateychuk a lot more than the TB 1st rounder.

I'm pretty agnostic between Kulich and Mateychuk as I think about it. It would probably depend on other moves that could dictate whether we take the defenseman or the forward.

Having Mateychuk and Salamonsson as your top pairing on the Moose next year would be something.

Would prefer Mateychuk as it would really set our defense prospect pool up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If we dump mcgro and ehlers and end up with Laine... that's a tad depressing

Depending on what we got in exchange for taking Laine as a cap dump - plus what we got for McGro and Ehlers.

I wouldn't mind Laine as a cap dump/project - with retention and getting paid to take him.

 

[TS Quint]

Say Chevy caved to McGroaty. How pissed would you be if you are Brad Lambert? Lambert changes his development path from always playing st the highest level to the Jets convincing him to drop down to Junior to rebuild himself and working his way back up to getting a game in the NHL last year. He is doing everything asked and excelling. Then this dickhead complains a way to a NHL spot?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Buffalo - Kulich and a 2nd
Islanders - 2024 Tampa Bay 1st + 2nd LA 2024
CBJ - Mateychuk + 2nd

Do we get a 2nd with Mateychuk? He was drafted 2 spots b4 McGro and seems to have developed well since.

I like Kulich + 2nd. He is still unproven but so is McGro. He is a C who has succeeded at every level he has played below the NHL. He has a full season in the AHL under his belt already at 20 YO and has played pro in Europe.

 

[Gm0ney]

The assumption is that we would be better with younger players/rookies in the lineup.

How many rookies were in Edmonton and Florida's lineup this year? Zero.

I think there is a fine line between easing rookies in and just tossing a bunch into the lineup and expecting them to win

Florida and Edmonton haven't had a lot of the high picks that would lead to rookies stepping right into the lineup - it's been a few years since either team had a pick in the top half of the first round

And you know who else had zero rookies in their playoff lineup this year? Your Winnipeg Jets!

 

[CorgisPer60]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806421827209863362

 

[Weezeric]

Florida and Edmonton haven't had a lot of the high picks that would lead to rookies stepping right into the lineup - it's been a few years since either team had a pick in the top half of the first round

And you know who else had zero rookies in their playoff lineup this year? Your Winnipeg Jets!

Ya, most playoff teams don’t have a ton of young players. It’s the real bad teams that do.

 

[wpgallday1960]

The team can go as far as saying that there will be a position for you - IF you can win it. They can say that you will be given every opportunity to win it. But they have to stop short of making any kind of guarantee.

Speculation on my part but I suspect this is what Chevy told McG’s camp. Doesn’t seem that is what they wanted to hear.

 

[jiho]

If we dump mcgro and ehlers and end up with Laine... that's a tad depressing

If we are going to get Laine...might as also bring back Evander Kane, Jacob Trouba and Tyler Myers.....get the old gang back together again

 

[Jet]

If we are going to get Laine...might as also bring back Evander Kane, Jacob Trouba and Tyler Myers.....get the old gang back together again

Only if Buff comes back too

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

SJS also have some F prospects who are progressing toward NHL ready. What do you think of Bystedt, Edstrom and Musty? 2 Cs and a W.

And a little more than 24 hours until the trade ... we will see who is right.

I think Musty is hugely underrated..be all over that.

 

[10Ducky10]

If Chevy told McG that he would sign him to his ELC and he'd get a solid chance at TC to make the team and McG doesn't like it, does that mean he isn't confident that he would make the roster?

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

If you could get mateychuk and pick up Marino for the right side, our defence becomes so so much better.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Only if Buff comes back too

you've become too cynical. bring back canadian jet!

 

[drumzan]

mcintyre on wst
-mcgroatry lot of people in his ear
-thinks he is getting some bad advice
-didn't like that he may have had to go to the ahl
-relationship took a turn after the frozen 4
-said he talked to someone connected to his camp and 3 teams to keep on eye on are buffalo, islanders and bluejackets

Add in Murat reported yesterday San Jose has interest.

So that would be 4 teams reported by our local beat writers:

- San Jose
- NY Islanders
- Columbus
- Buffalo

 

[Daximus]

SJS also have some F prospects who are progressing toward NHL ready. What do you think of Bystedt, Edstrom and Musty? 2 Cs and a W.

All 3 have a lot of potential but I think I'd want an add to all 3 if I'm making that deal.

 

[Daximus]

Jiricek would fit our needs perfectly on paper but it seems like a bit of a stretch. It does sound like he wasn’t happy with how he was treated last season. What are your thoughts on


What are your thoughts on Mateychuk? He looked very dynamic to me in the Momorial cup in a small sample size of me watching him.

I absolutely love Mateychuk. He was billeted across the street from me for his entire time on the Warriors. Smart kid, loves the sport, knows he has talent and is a natural born leader.

Plays a very activated kind of game. He's going to join the rush, he's going to win puck battles. Has a drive to just score every shift or at the very least make things happen. He can be a bit risky sometimes so if he had a partner that would be comfortable just staying back and letting him cook then I think he could excel.

 

[Heldig]

mcintyre on wst
-mcgroatry lot of people in his ear
-thinks he is getting some bad advice
-didn't like that he may have had to go to the ahl
-relationship took a turn after the frozen 4
-said he talked to someone connected to his camp and 3 teams to keep on eye on are buffalo, islanders and bluejackets

I think Cutter forcing his way to Anaheim opened some ideas / options for him.

Would be happy with a prospect swap with Columbus - they have some good D prospects or one of Buffalo's young forwards.

 

[Heldig]

Add in Murat reported yesterday San Jose has interest.

So that would be 4 teams reported by our local beat writers:

- San Jose
- NY Islanders
- Columbus
- Buffalo

San Jose just traded for Buffalo's 1st rounder...11th overall could be Yakemchuk or Sennecke or Catton or ???

 

[Ggg99]

If we are going to get Laine...might as also bring back Evander Kane, Jacob Trouba and Tyler Myers.....get the old gang back together again

And you probably have just as much chance winning in the playoffs with that bunch.

 

[WolfHouse]

Only if Buff comes back too

Is Phil Sykes still alive?!!