It would cost our first and third so we would HAVE to lose our 3rd this year to Calgary instead of next year
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Apparently MTL is not happy with Drouin and could probably get him for real cheap. get him for a 2nd and some change and have him run gun with mcdavid
We don't have a second round pick this year or next, we also don't have capspace to add him without sending money back
I'm OK with the roster staying more or less as is but I think we ought to find a solid younger 1B in net.
The "trade player the moment he isn't good for a few months!!!!" crowd is too reactionary and there are plenty of players they've chased out of town here that are doing OK on other teams now.
You have to ask what that kind of attitude really is bringing to the table.
It's incumbent on Tippett to get more out of role players and put them in positions to succeed. In a salary cap era you don't have the luxury of piling on players or throwing them away so casually.
The "trade player the moment he isn't good for a few months!!!!" crowd is too reactionary and there are plenty of players they've chased out of town here that are doing OK on other teams now.
You have to ask what that kind of attitude really is bringing to the table.
It's incumbent on Tippett to get more out of role players and put them in positions to succeed. In a salary cap era you don't have the luxury of piling on players or throwing them away so casually.
I mean Kassian clearly was just playing for a contract. Khaira outside of the pp had never been good. Larsson has been on a downward trajectory for years now and our defense has been pretty much the exact same for 4 years and have been a bottom 10 defense group at best. So it wasn't really just one series. Although I think more people are clueing in now
Overreaction based on a 4 game stretch played after 4 1/2 freaking months of a break to a team that had nothing to lose.
The Oilers need to stop chasing every 2nd player out of town because one stretch of play (even a down season ... yeah it happens).
Now if you can get an upgrade on said players, fine, great do it, but trading players basically as "punishment" is stupid.
The Oilers have a lot of young players on the blue line, yeah maybe Larsson isn't all-world but if you're trading him without getting a direct replacement all you're doing is ensuring Bear/Bouchard/Broberg/Jones have to play over their heads most likely.
I would love to have a 25 year old Drew Doughty back there, but not every team gets gifted that. Most organizations develop their blue line internally through drafting.
If we're trading Larsson or Klefbom, then it has to be because a real good player is coming back. Not to satiate some dumb mob mentality.
I'm pretty certain he is eligible, but if his contract is in 1st and 3rd range, I'd be prepared to offer something greater starting with the 14th pick and Puljujarvi plus cap considerations if it meant acquiring Cirelli.
Whatever's happening there this fall, Holland would be wise to get right in there. Cirelli, Cernak, Palat, Johnson, Killorn... If we could get a pair of those players at a discount, it'd be a considerable win.
I'd personally have a number of our assets on the table.
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If Khaira is your fourth line winger and continues to be as good on the pk then he is worth his contract. 4th line wingers will get 12-18 points at best in a typical year. Khaira is in that ball park. The pk'ing is what makes the difference here. But he needs to play with more bite than he did in the playoffs.
Current Larsson is our worst regular defensemen on a bad dcore. It's time to move on, he has been bad for years.
Most people want to move these guys out for improvements. Improving this dcore is a necessity
He is a detriment 5v5 though which is a huge problem. If he can play 5v5 at least like an average 4th liner that's great. Right now though he is pure bad outside of the PK. Even from 4th liner standards
Cirelli's never scored 20 goals in the NHL, are we sure we would want to give away a 1st round pick for him?
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With expansion draft looming we should not be investing in a solid 1B.
Maybe after the expansion draft or asking the Kraken to pick off one for us from another team.
Not sure if I'm willing to risk another season though based on that. If both Koskinen and the 1B are good, well then I'm OK with protecting the lower salary guy and forcing Seattle to take Koskinen's salary.
Young teams need to be cushioned with good goaltending.
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This season was not lost because of Smith. Assuming this 1B is soneone like Georgiev there are no guarantees that he will be better than Koski. So we give up a Pulju or Jones for this goalie and then just leave him exposed?
I think Smith is getting too old to be brought back. Also while when he is hot I'll say he is very good, this team is just too fragile to deal with the own-goal mistakes he's prone to make.
That's ok for a veteran team, but that own goal in the Chicago series I think really set off a bad chain of events that didn't do any favors for a young squad.
If you spend assets like that, then protect Georgiev and let them take Koskinen.
A few unsigned NCAA UFAs who might be of interest...
LW Cam Morrison
LD Ryan Shea
RD Luke Martin
I'd have to think LA would be a big player on Shea considering their lack of depth at LD. Apparently Martin, a pretty solid shutdown D, was looking for a fast track to the NHL. Potential Marino situation there. But I think Morrison would make some sense for us. Big winger with a really good shot. Behind Benson there isn't a whole lot going on at LW.
LW Cam Morrison
LD Ryan Shea
RD Luke Martin
I'd have to think LA would be a big player on Shea considering their lack of depth at LD. Apparently Martin, a pretty solid shutdown D, was looking for a fast track to the NHL. Potential Marino situation there. But I think Morrison would make some sense for us. Big winger with a really good shot. Behind Benson there isn't a whole lot going on at LW.
The Oilers GA after Yamamoto was addd was something around 2.8 GAA ... which would put them around 12th place in the NHL had they played at that level all year.
That's not terrible.
I think the main take away with that is this team simply needs to defend less. When you have two lines that are controlling possession, it makes the stress put on the D-corps that much less.
The best defence can often be a good offence, you're not gonna get scored on if the puck is 100 feet away from your net.
I would love to have a superstar no.1 workhorse back there, but until then the best thing I think we can do is make sure we are not just McDavid line + 3 lines that get caved on posession.
That may mean Tippet has to go back to RNH-Drai-Yamamoto until Yamamoto has developed more.
That's not terrible.
I think the main take away with that is this team simply needs to defend less. When you have two lines that are controlling possession, it makes the stress put on the D-corps that much less.
The best defence can often be a good offence, you're not gonna get scored on if the puck is 100 feet away from your net.
I would love to have a superstar no.1 workhorse back there, but until then the best thing I think we can do is make sure we are not just McDavid line + 3 lines that get caved on posession.
That may mean Tippet has to go back to RNH-Drai-Yamamoto until Yamamoto has developed more.
If Montour has really fallen out of favour I like the AA for Montour suggestion I saw someone make here earlier.
Then you can pursue a Larsson for a forward trade.
Then you can pursue a Larsson for a forward trade.
Cirelli is currently a 23-year-old Selke caliber forward. Getting a player like that locked up through McDavid and Draisaitl's contracts would probably be worth significantly more than the 1st.
Montour doesn’t help with our defensive struggles. He’s a legitimately terrible defender.
Anaheim chose him over Theodore and then couldn’t get rid of him quick enough.
Granted we’d only be giving up AA for him so not the worst deal.
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Three years left on that deal we couldn't do, certainly not at full price. I think they would at 25% coverage.
What if it was 1 for 1 Miles Wood <> Larsson.
What if it was 1 for 1 Miles Wood <> Larsson.
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