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[Mav3rick07]

So it looks like the Oilers will have 10 million of cap space this offseason.

We have to sign Bear, a goalie and a third line Center .

As well as figure out what to do with Athanasiou.

 

[Mez]

Im hoping AA can find is jam here next season. Im not willing to write him off yet.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

I want our Mike Green pick back.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

We need in this order a top pair RD, 3C, G, scoring wingers and Tippett to grow a f***ing brain and play the DRY line.

 

[tardigrade81]

I want a good goalie

not sure Murray counts as that. I dunno.

 

[Soli]

What a tough poll

All of the above please.

Couldn't give the people a way out

I'm just thinking out loud... is Benson too old to try to figure out third line center? I was originally starting this query with Athanasiou but I just don't know if he thinks the game well enough.

 

[tardigrade81]

In all seriousness. Who do you guys want as a goalie. Andersen from Toronto puts up good numbers regular season, but another playoff choker. Ugh. I dunno.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Like I said in the other thread:

Keep Klefbom. Trade Nurse.

Klefbom at his best is better than Nurse. Plus he’s going to be a lot cheaper moving forward.

For trade bait, Nurse > Larsson > Benning > Jones > Klefbom > Bear/Bouchard/Broberg

 

[Messrules11]

What a tough poll

All of the above please.

This

 

[Mez]

I dont think a top line winger is our biggest need....McDavid just does his own thing and scores. We need depth that can actually contribute 5v5 and we need a change on the D end.

 

[Mav3rick07]

If we do sign Athanasiou, what type of contract do you think he would get ?

He was making 3 million per year.

 

[Soundwave]

Just roll

Athansiou McDavid Kassian
RNH Draisaitl Yamamoto

This is what Tippett should have done and let the McDavid line work through their growing pains from the trade deadline onwards instead we were moving Athansiou and Ennis all over the lineup way too much just for regular season.

Eventually the McDavid line will start to score.

If not you know what may not be the worst idea in the world. Bring back Patrick Maroon for cheap. Maroon reads well off McDavid, better than Kassian, and Athansiou provides speed so the line isn't slow.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Sell guys for picks, do a quick rebuild. Too many holes and no capspace.
Keep McDavid, Draisaitl, everyone else can go.

 

[Mr Positive]

I dont think a top line winger is our biggest need....McDavid just does his own thing and scores. We need depth that can actually contribute 5v5 and we need a change on the D end.

It's just the whole reason the DRY line was broken up was because we didnt have someone for McDavid. AA was a nice try but didnt pan out. So, we must try again.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If we do sign Athanasiou, what type of contract do you think he would get ?

He was making 3 million per year.

A dollar above 3 mill would be horrible negotiating from Holland imo

 

[McDrai]

Just roll

Athansiou McDavid Kassian
RNH Draisaitl Yamamoto

This is what Tippett should have done and let the McDavid line work through their growing pains from the trade deadline onwards instead we were moving Athansiou and Ennis all over the lineup way too much just for regular season.

Eventually the McDavid line will start to score.

If not you know what may not be the worst idea in the world. Bring back Patrick Maroon for cheap. Maroon reads well off McDavid, better than Kassian, and Athansiou provides speed so the line isn't slow.

The one good game I saw from AA was in the play in round (I believe it was game 2). He looked to have very good chemistry with Kassian on the 3rd line. If they are both on the team come training camp I would like to see them on the same line and that could very well be with McDavid if we can't bring in any wingers. So I agree, that is how I would have the top 6 if nothing changes.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Sell guys for picks, do a quick rebuild. Too many holes and no capspace.
Keep McDavid, Draisaitl, everyone else can go.

Are you new here?

 

[McGoMcD]

I dont think a top line winger is our biggest need....McDavid just does his own thing and scores. We need depth that can actually contribute 5v5 and we need a change on the D end.

Ya, I think you can get a cheap enough winger to compliment McD. Realize he gets quite a few of his points on the pp.

I think the D is the thing that needs to be fixed. We have too many average D getting paid quite a bit, Nurse, Larsson, Klef. I feel like we need to move 2/3 and replace them with Bouchard and Broberg. Then go out and get a actual top dman.

 

[KlefDown]

none of our pending UFA's should be resigned

a good goalie who can battle with Koskinen can be found in UFA

 

[Paralyzer008]

Ya, I think you can get a cheap enough winger to compliment McD. Realize he gets quite a few of his points on the pp.

I think the D is the thing that needs to be fixed. We have too many average D getting paid quite a bit, Nurse, Larsson, Klef. I feel like we need to move 2/3 and replace them with Bouchard and Broberg. Then go out and get a actual top dman.

I don't think Broberg is close to being ready from what I saw in the exhibition game, the speed is there but this guy will need an entire year in the AHL easily. He wasn't even playing big minutes in the SHL and there's a lot to work on.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The one good game I saw from AA was in the play in round (I believe it was game 2). He looked to have very good chemistry with Kassian on the 3rd line. If they are both on the team come training camp I would like to see them on the same line and that could very well be with McDavid if we can't bring in any wingers. So I agree, that is how I would have the top 6 if nothing changes.

If Kassian and AA are playing to their abilities they could form one fast, big and solid pair of 3rd line wingers. I would like a big 2 way center to complete that line. When was the last time that we had a really effective and hard to play against 3rd line?

 

[Soundwave]

Ya, I think you can get a cheap enough winger to compliment McD. Realize he gets quite a few of his points on the pp.

I think the D is the thing that needs to be fixed. We have too many average D getting paid quite a bit, Nurse, Larsson, Klef. I feel like we need to move 2/3 and replace them with Bouchard and Broberg. Then go out and get a actual top dman.

You're not putting Bouchard and Broberg in the lineup next season on top of Bear and Jones, that's just crazy. That's way too young and not enough sheltering for inexperienced D, it's just asking for trouble.

Nurse/Klefbom/Larsson may be redundant in the long term sure, but for now I don't see how you can dump them unless you get a direct comparable player who's equal or better in return and isn't 31+ years old.

 

[KlefDown]

What a tough poll

All of the above please.

while all are needed, a solid top2 D can cover up the most holes in our lineup

 

[Mr Positive]

I dont see an option to upgrade the d on the high end. Just bring in Jones and Bouchard as full timers. See if we can develop what we need.

To make room, trade D. That opens up a lot. We could look for a great winger instead of diving in the bargain bin. Or maybe another goalie. We are actually blessed in assets. We just got use trades to balance the team

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Just roll

Athansiou McDavid Kassian
RNH Draisaitl Yamamoto

This is what Tippett should have done and let the McDavid line work through their growing pains from the trade deadline onwards instead we were moving Athansiou and Ennis all over the lineup way too much just for regular season.

Eventually the McDavid line will start to score.

If not you know what may not be the worst idea in the world. Bring back Patrick Maroon for cheap. Maroon reads well off McDavid, better than Kassian, and Athansiou provides speed so the line isn't slow.

With all due respect to Ennis, I never understood why Athanasiou didnt get a bigger push. He is younger and we paid a pretty penny to acquire him.

 

[Paralyzer008]

The team considers Darnell Nurse as core, McDavid and him are close, I'm sorry but even if it's the right move there's no way Ken is moving him today...maybe once his contract becomes more of a problem. It's not going to happen.

So let's be realistic.

Left side next year SHOULD be Klefbom, Nurse, Caleb Jones. Kris Russell has a year left, might be sticking around due to his salary but I'd look around to move him anyways with Lagesson around.

It's the RIGHT SIDE that will need attention and has the flexibility to change. Bear will be there, but what else? Benning played well in playoffs but is an expensive bottom pair guy. Larsson's back means what for his trade value and what for us? Is Evan Bouchard ready? Is Holland going to feel bad about wasting a pick and bring Mike Green back? All interesting questions.

I think we need a right side add.

 

[Soli]

I dunno what happened when I stitched this thread together but she's all screwy.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Give me Boone Jenner.

Give me the entire Blue Jackets team. They can have ours.

 

[Mr Positive]

Give me the entire Blue Jackets team. They can have ours.

Sorry, but no way. Their team is like, aim low so you hit the mark. I'd rather stick with what we have and aim higher.

 

[space321]

AA should not be brought back unless he's taking a pay cut.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Sorry, but no way. Their team is like, aim low so you hit the mark. I'd rather stick with what we have and aim higher.

Sorry I am pissed right off at the piss poor effort our team showed versus the worst team in the play in round.

But objectively the Jackets have far far far FAR better goaltending, defense, forward depth, coaching and something else we lack - heart and desire. Their GAF meter is much higher.

In fact the only thing the Jackets lack are a McDavid or Draisatl.

 

[Soundwave]

Kapanen for Athansiou might be something both teams are open to.

They're basically a similar player but for whatever reason this last year never was able to get it going.

 

[Soundwave]

With all due respect to Ennis, I never understood why Athanasiou didnt get a bigger push. He is younger and we paid a pretty penny to acquire him.

I really don't understand the coaching decisions being made here sometimes.

The GM spends assets to get Athansiou. OK, fine. Coach then doesn't use the regular season to build any chemistry with him and McDavid.

But then in the playoffs he decides to upend the RNH-Draisaitl-Yams because they didn't do the proper leg work during the regular season to pair McDavid with Athansiou.

Same thing with Todd ... we spend to get Strome here, Todd decides to never ever play him with McDavid or Draisaitl, because he might score a goal.

This is why during a regular season IMO you cannot be so short sighted to only play combos that are working right in the here and now, you have to have some long term sensibility.

 

[Paralyzer008]

What a tough poll

All of the above please.

 

[Frank the Tank]

The flat cap is going to really make it difficult for most teams to change their roster, including the Oilers. I think an opportunity exists with a team like Florida looking to cut costs. Russell's contract may be valuable to them.

 

[McDeepika]

You're not putting Bouchard and Broberg in the lineup next season on top of Bear and Jones, that's just crazy. That's way too young and not enough sheltering for inexperienced D, it's just asking for trouble.

Nurse/Klefbom/Larsson may be redundant in the long term sure, but for now I don't see how you can dump them unless you get a direct comparable player who's equal or better in return and isn't 31+ years old.

I think this idea that you need veterans to shelter young dmen is a myth. I went through some of the top dmen in recent memory and here are the dmen they broke in with. Ages are in bold.

Keith (22), Seabrook (20)
Pietrangelo (20), Shattenkirk (21), Cole (21)
Slavin (21), Faulk (23), Hanifin (18), Pesce (20)
Lindholm (19), Fowler (21), Vatanen (22)
Weber (20), Suter (20), Hamhuis (22)

With the exception of the Preds group who had Timonen, none of these guys had good veterans to shelter them. Ultimately, talent wins out. If Jones/Bear/Bouchard/Broberg have the talent, they will succeed. Having guys like Klefbom/Nurse on the roster isn't going to make them develop any better.

 

[Soli]

Testing if we've returned to normal.

EDIT: Alright looks like we're back.

 

[Stoneman89]

Sell guys for picks, do a quick rebuild. Too many holes and no capspace.
Keep McDavid, Draisaitl, everyone else can go.

Sounds like the plan we've had for the last 15 years.

 

[Mr Positive]

Sorry I am pissed right off at the piss poor effort our team showed versus the worst team in the play in round.

But objectively the Jackets have far far far FAR better goaltending, defense, forward depth, coaching and something else we lack - heart and desire. Their GAF meter is much higher.

In fact the only thing the Jackets lack are a McDavid or Draisatl.

imo our team played with a ton of heart in their series. It doesn't always translate to results. In fact, it can go against you, especially if you are getting out of position to try to help, or being over zealous in your checking and getting penalized. That stuff happened all the time. Also McDavid getting frustrated by game 1 and then erupting for offense, and some other performance like that. But in general it is better to be calm and consistent

What our team lacks is POISE. I'm not sure how video games refer to it. To me poise means not being phased by destractions, both outside and also in. Focus on positioning, and knowing when to turn it up and jump on opportunity. I think they cared a lot, and maybe too much. Too much pressure. Wanting to prove themselves, wanting to shed labels, wanting to play for Colby, being the hub city home team, knowing how much our fans wanted this. I think they just struggled to handle it all. Chicago had a lot less pressure, a lot less expectation, and a lot more veterans used to dealing with pressure and in major roles on the ice.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Sounds like the plan we've had for the last 15 years.

Well I mean apparently we don't have the cap for it or the assets for it. Our prospect pool is minimal and shallow. And we have massive holes at forward, goaltending and defense.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

imo our team played with a ton of heart in their series. It doesn't always translate to results. In fact, it can go against you, especially if you are getting out of position to try to help, or being over zealous in your checking and getting penalized. That stuff happened all the time. Also McDavid getting frustrated by game 1 and then erupting for offense, and some other performance like that. But in general it is better to be calm and consistent

What our team lacks is POISE. I'm not sure how video games refer to it. To me poise means not being phased by destractions, both outside and also in. Focus on positioning, and knowing when to turn it up and jump on opportunity. I think they cared a lot, and maybe too much. Too much pressure. Wanting to prove themselves, wanting to shed labels, wanting to play for Colby, being the hub city home team, knowing how much our fans wanted this. I think they just struggled to handle it all. Chicago had a lot less pressure, a lot less expectation, and a lot more veterans used to dealing with pressure and in major roles on the ice.

Heart and desire doesn’t mean slamming yourself willy nilly endlessly into opponents. It means you are prepared to play outside your comfort zone. It means getting into shooting lanes and blocking shots. It means tying up your man in front of the net. It means winning more of the 50-50 puck battles. It means not giving up on your check.

We did nearly none of the above until the final 7 minutes of Game 4 when coincidentally Tippett reunited the line that did all of the above since the New Year but inexplicably dismantled the line for “balance”.

Near zero heart or desire on this team. They wanted it the easy way and in the playoffs there ain’t any easy.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Both Bouchard and Broberg might be on the roster next year. The Oil really need a solid on ice mentor dman.

Both Klef and Nurse never got this. No mere hoping these rookies can figure it out themselves with other struggling players