Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread | Post Mortem Edition

[Mcnofool6110]

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True redemption arc is head coach Paul Coffey winning the Cup with Edmonton, after being incredibly under qualified and seemingly detesting the job.

 

[brentashton]

It's still an invasion of privacy. I would t do it with my employees. Hell, I dont do it with my friends.

I think there some nuances in this story that will never be clearly known.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Seems we won't have to worry about Babcock now.

Didn't they already investigate it at the time, which is why he hasn't been in the league?

What more do they need to investigate?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It's still an invasion of privacy. I would t do it with my employees. Hell, I dont do it with my friends.

It’s weird and crossed a privacy line for sure, but should it keep someone from doing their job 5 years later is the question.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

Didn't they already investigate it at the time, which is why he hasn't been in the league?

What more do they need to investigate?

They didn't investigate it. He resigned so they dropped the investigation.

Now he wants back and they will do the investigation.

 

[brentashton]

It’s weird and crossed a privacy line for sure, but should it keep someone from doing their job 5 years later is the question.

For sure? Do we really know “for sure”?

Gaudreau and Jenner have statements on file stating he wanted to share photos with them, one on one of families and their lives to know each other better. they have stated that MB did the same, they all stated they agreed and didn’t feel anything untoward.

We have anon statements that younger players subjected to same felt intimidated. Nothing attributed to any player specifically.

We have an NHL club that elected to pay an employee a significant amount of their multi year contract out. Probably to stop a potential firestorm, no different than other orgs have done when there is no wrong doing but they prefer to stop the burn.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

They didn't investigate it. He resigned so they dropped the investigation.

Now he wants back and they will do the investigation.

This was my impression, but everything I've heard today stated they did their investigation, followed up with cbj and the CBJ gave him the "option" to resign

 

[McSuper]

This is the kind of ruthlessness we’ve wanted from management. You either help us facilitate a trade now or you end up wherever we decide once your NMC becomes an NTC.

But you know there’s will be fans whom will base Oilers management for this.

 

[Oilhawks]

Didn't they already investigate it at the time, which is why he hasn't been in the league?

What more do they need to investigate?

Apparently they didn't. At least that's what LoweTide's guest said, though she also said Babcock was out of the league for 7 years...

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

it sounds like Adam Fantilli was the one that was bothered by the phone thing. I’m still not sure what Babcock was actually asking.. like was he asking for people to hand over their phones? Or just asking if they’ve got pics of family or their summer vacations?

That’s a little out of touch if he just asked for some regular pictures but not some unforgivable crime. I’ve handed my phone to people to show them pictures plenty of times, including at work, and I’ve had many people hand me their phone for the same purpose. Personally I don’t go scrolling through their pictures and I hope they don’t do that to me, but I also don’t have anything crazy on my phone.

There’s not enough details for me to determine if this was an innocent misunderstanding or some creepy overstep of boundaries.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

This was my impression, but everything I've heard today stated they did their investigation, followed up with cbj and the CBJ gave him the "option" to resign

Only the NHLPA did an investigation back then and that was enough for Babcock to quit. Then NHL decided not to follow up since Babcock resigned before they could do it.

So now the NHL will have to complete their investigation based on what the NHLPA found and whatever their own evidence is.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Dear Oiler fans,

Watching you guys go through this is painful. I will pray for you that Babcock is not hired. I also will pray for Bowman to be fired ASAP.

Love,
your pillow fight brethren

 

[K1984]

it sounds like Adam Fantilli was the one that was bothered by the phone thing. I’m still not sure what Babcock was actually asking.. like was he asking for people to hand over their phones? Or just asking if they’ve got pics of family or their summer vacations?

That’s a little out of touch if he just asked for some regular pictures but not some unforgivable crime. I’ve handed my phone to people to show them pictures plenty of times, including at work, and I’ve had many people hand me their phone for the same purpose. Personally I don’t go scrolling through their pictures and I hope they don’t do that to me, but I also don’t have anything crazy on my phone.

There’s not enough details for me to determine if this was an innocent misunderstanding or some creepy overstep of boundaries.

At the time I listened to Friedman interview Gaudreau on his podcast about it, and Gaudreau basically chalked it up to a lot of nothing. Said he just showed him some pictures and it was an effort to get to know the players better.

My understanding is that it didn't go the same way for every player, but the Gaudreau interview was the only one I heard that was from someone with first hand knowledge.

Said it before, but this feels to me like a good faith effort by Babcock to relate to his players, but is too old/out of touch to realize or grasp that publicly showing the contents of somebody's phone is a huge no no.

 

[North]

it sounds like Adam Fantilli was the one that was bothered by the phone thing. I’m still not sure what Babcock was actually asking.. like was he asking for people to hand over their phones? Or just asking if they’ve got pics of family or their summer vacations?

That’s a little out of touch if he just asked for some regular pictures but not some unforgivable crime. I’ve handed my phone to people to show them pictures plenty of times, including at work, and I’ve had many people hand me their phone for the same purpose. Personally I don’t go scrolling through their pictures and I hope they don’t do that to me, but I also don’t have anything crazy on my phone.

There’s not enough details for me to determine if this was an innocent misunderstanding or some creepy overstep of boundaries.

The thing is…older players weren’t bothered by it. It was reported that Jenner and Gaudreau were fine with it. Younger players felt it was invasive due to the power imbalance.

I do think Babcock was trying to bond with the players because apparently he too was sharing photos with them, but it was an odd way to do it.

 

[nerevarine]

Dear Oiler fans,

Watching you guys go through this is painful. I will pray for you that Babcock is not hired. I also will pray for Bowman to be fired ASAP.

Love,
your pillow fight brethren

Don't worry, we will win the cup next year. You are welcome to join the celebration

 

[Cloned]

Oilers are about to turn up the heat on the NHL by forcing them to reveal all of Babcock’s indiscretions.

Cassidy would be so much easier for everybody…

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Don't worry, we will win the cup next year. You are welcome to join the celebration

Fooking rights man.

 

[MrFrosty]

Didn't they already investigate it at the time, which is why he hasn't been in the league?

What more do they need to investigate?

Yeah this feels like more of a formality

 

[McBooya42]

Didn't they already investigate it at the time, which is why he hasn't been in the league?

What more do they need to investigate?

No. They never did because he stepped down at the time.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Only the NHLPA did an investigation back then and that was enough for Babcock to quit. Then NHL decided not to follow up since Babcock resigned before they could do it.

So now the NHL will have to complete their investigation based on what the NHLPA found and whatever their own evidence is.

So if he resigned based on the NHLPA investigation, why does the NHL need to do an investigation? Does it mean that the result of the NHLPA investigation can be overturned by the NHL?

This is all very confusing

 

[McBooya42]

Dear Oiler fans,

Watching you guys go through this is painful. I will pray for you that Babcock is not hired. I also will pray for Bowman to be fired ASAP.

Love,
your pillow fight brethren

Wrong sub to give your two cents friend. Keep it to the mains.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The thing is…older players weren’t bothered by it. It was reported that Jenner and Gaudreau were fine with it. Younger players felt it was invasive due to the power imbalance.

I do think Babcock was trying to bond with the players because apparently he too was sharing photos with them, but it was an odd way to do it.

At the time I listened to Friedman interview Gaudreau on his podcast about it, and Gaudreau basically chalked it up to a lot of nothing. Said he just showed him some pictures and it was an effort to get to know the players better.

My understanding is that it didn't go the same way for every player, but the Gaudreau interview was the only one I heard that was from someone with first hand knowledge.

Said it before, but this feels to me like a good faith effort by Babcock to relate to his players, but is too old/out of touch to realize or grasp that publicly showing the contents of somebody's phone is a huge no no.

Then why resign after the PA investigation?

Why did John Davidson say “we got it wrong” with the Babcock hire? I don’t think it was that simple

Babcock hire was ‘mistake,’ Blue Jackets executives say | NHL.com

Resigned on Sunday after being hired July 1

www.nhl.com

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

At the time I listened to Friedman interview Gaudreau on his podcast about it, and Gaudreau basically chalked it up to a lot of nothing. Said he just showed him some pictures and it was an effort to get to know the players better.

My understanding is that it didn't go the same way for every player, but the Gaudreau interview was the only one I heard that was from someone with first hand knowledge.

Said it before, but this feels to me like a good faith effort by Babcock to relate to his players, but is too old/out of touch to realize or grasp that publicly showing the contents of somebody's phone is a huge no no.

So his intention wasn’t bad at all, he was trying to relate to players one by one as a person. His actual intentions matter a lot to me.

I suppose there might have been some other motive, maybe he saw the veterans spent their summers diligently training and spending time with their wives and babies and other guys just had pictures of them partying or something. Maybe he scrolled too far in someone’s phone and saw something embarrassing.

Either way, it’s something that can be learned from if he didn’t have bad intentions. We don’t need to bury people over misunderstandings with no ill will.

I think we’ve all been there at some point in our lives interacting with someone of an older generation, maybe they do something that wouldn’t fly in our generation but we understand their intentions aren’t bad and you deal with it in a mature way. Some day we’ll be a geezer trying to say or do something nice without realizing nobody does that anymore.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

So if he resigned based on the NHLPA investigation, why does the NHL need to do an investigation? Does it mean that the result of the NHLPA investigation can be overturned by the NHL?

This is all very confusing

I think the NHLPA has to recommend it to the NHL because it's technically not a PA issue since it's a coach but it affects the players. NHL is the only authority that would be able to suspend a coach, PA can't do it.

So NHLPA did their due diligence first and said "Ya there's something here, NHL you investigate and punish (if needed). "

 

[Del Preston]

I remember Ryan Whitney saying Babcock invited one of the younger Blue Jackets over for lunch, looked through his phone, and then told the player to go home without actually have lunch.