Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread: I've Got Nothing

[Cloned]

I honestly don't know what this means.

Pulju

 

[McJC]

I honestly don't know what this means.

Finnish forwards forget how to play hockey when theyre in oil silks

 

[frag2]

Along with that, I was thinking it'd be a good idea to get Persson on the PP, pump up his value and be ready to trade him in the offseason. I really like the player, but I think he's obviously just keeping that spot warm for Bouchard. Basically make the reverse of the Kahun for Maatta trade.

Adding Hall and a couple of decent, young 2nd/3rd liners while keeping basically the same D core(Persson/Russell out, Bouchard/Jones in) would be pretty awesome.

My stance with having someone like Hall has always been about giving the lines flexibility. We would then have the option of double shifting one of McDavid, Draisaitl or Hall on any line that needs a slight kick. As it stands, we overplay McDrai just to mitigate our shitty lineup

 

[Cloned]

Sign Hall for 6M and get McDavid to donate 2M of his salary to Hall.

 

[McDrai]

I honestly don't know what this means.

Haven’t had much luck with the Finnish forwards. Granlund, Puljujarvi, Jokinen, Hartikainen, Joenssu (probably missing a bunch of others)

 

[belair]

Haven’t had much luck with the Finnish forwards. Granlund, Puljujarvi, Jokinen, Hartikainen, Joenssu (probably missing a bunch of others)

So Puljujarvi--a player with zero NHL experience--and a bunch of fourth line plugs?

Seems like an odd argument. When have we ever acquired someone with actual established NHL skill?

Are we crossing off all the Russians, too?

 

[McXLNC97]

You could probably get Hall at a cheaper cap hit by just front loading that deal with a lot of bonus money. More money in his pocket sooner, gets the team a bit of a discount and frees up a little money to upgrade somewhere else on the roster. Pretty much all FA's that come here need to be quite overpaid to even sign the contract. Hall is probably one of the rare few that would actually want to come here on his own.

 

[McDrai]

So Puljujarvi--a player with zero NHL experience--and a bunch of fourth line plugs?

Seems like an odd argument. When have we ever acquired someone with actual established NHL skill?

Are we crossing off all the Russians, too?

Haven’t had much luck in this department either. Have we even had an impact Russian or Finnish forward since Kurri/Tikkanen?
Maybe it’s the language barrier or not enough fellow countrymen in the organization but our luck in regards to players from these 2 countries at the forward position has been downright pitiful for the last 2 decades +

 

[Nostradumbass]

You could probably get Hall at a cheaper cap hit by just front loading that deal with a lot of bonus money. More money in his pocket sooner, gets the team a bit of a discount and frees up a little money to upgrade somewhere else on the roster. Pretty much all FA's that come here need to be quite overpaid to even sign the contract. Hall is probably one of the rare few that would actually want to come here on his own.

You can't front-load with bonus money. He doesn't qualify for bonuses until 35.

 

[McXLNC97]

You can't front-load with bonus money. He doesn't qualify for bonuses until 35.

Sure you can. Go look at Marners contract. He has a signing bonus of 15.3m this year, and 14.3m next year. His actual base salary is only 700k.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Sure you can. Go look at Marners contract. He has a signing bonus of 15.3m this year, and 14.3m next year. His actual base salary is only 700k.

I thought you were talking about performance bonuses, my mistake.

 

[belair]

Haven’t had much luck in this department either. Have we even had an impact Russian or Finnish forward since Kurri/Tikkanen?
Maybe it’s the language barrier or not enough fellow countrymen in the organization but our luck in regards to players from these 2 countries at the forward position has been downright pitiful for the last 2 decades +

Or maybe were just signing the wrong players.

You're taking about an era where our scouting at both the amateur and professional levels was pitiful. Along with the Finn's and Russians were countless Americans, Canadians and any other nationalities. Our team liked bad players.

I'm not blaming a nation for that. That was an Oiler problem.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

Haven’t had much luck with the Finnish forwards. Granlund, Puljujarvi, Jokinen, Hartikainen, Joenssu (probably missing a bunch of others)

I mean, there's also one in the rafters

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

You could probably get Hall at a cheaper cap hit by just front loading that deal with a lot of bonus money. More money in his pocket sooner, gets the team a bit of a discount and frees up a little money to upgrade somewhere else on the roster. Pretty much all FA's that come here need to be quite overpaid to even sign the contract. Hall is probably one of the rare few that would actually want to come here on his own.

I would think that most if not all teams will front load an offer to Hall so I am not sure how we would get a discount. Given we are a high tax bracket we will have to probably overpay.

I’m not sure how we would get Hall unless he decides to pass on 20 million dollars over 7 years.

 

[McXLNC97]

I would think that most if not all teams will front load an offer to Hall so I am not sure how we would get a discount. Given we are a high tax bracket we will have to probably overpay.

I’m not sure how we would get Hall unless he decides to pass on 20 million dollars over 7 years.

They can always manipulate the taxes though. This article talks about how Tavares could save a bunch in taxes.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

They can always manipulate the taxes though. This article talks about how Tavares could save a bunch in taxes.

John Tavares Could Save Nearly $12 Million In Taxes On His New Contract

You can tax plan in any state or province so an athlete can save millions in taxes regardless where they sign.

Bottom line is you will take home more net dollars in Vegas, Nashville and Florida and most other places than Canada.

 

[McXLNC97]

You can tax plan in any state or province so an athlete can save millions in taxes regardless where they sign.

Bottom line is you will take home more net dollars in Vegas, Nashville and Florida and most other places than Canada.

Yeah but does he want to go there, and do those teams want him? Vegas and Nashville are already pretty much capped out, and Nashville already has enough 6m+ forwards on that roster.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yeah but does he want to go there, and do those teams want him? Vegas and Nashville are already pretty much capped out, and Nashville already has enough 6m+ forwards on that roster.

I could see Nashville. Move out Kyle Turris.

 

[ImmuneEH]

What are some RFA's we should be packaging JP for? I'm talking guys with top 6 upside. It would be great to land someone in the realm of Burakovsky/Fabbri and have it work out for us.

 

[alphahelix]

We can land Burakovsky when Colorado signs Hall, but we'll never make it past them again after that so it wont really matter who we sign. Hall is a dangerous guy to have signing in your division. Better just... yknow... sign him.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

We can land Burakovsky when Colorado signs Hall, but we'll never make it past them again after that so it wont really matter who we sign. Hall is a dangerous guy to have signing in your division. Better just... yknow... sign him.

He wouldnt be in our divisuon.

 

[alphahelix]

Err...uhh...conference. whatever. Haha.

I think Gaudreau for Hall is disturbingly plausible. We'll see.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Ryan Strome is over a ppg right now haha Chia keeps looking like an idiot.

 

[Jumptheshark]

FTR, I’ve heard similar with Hall, to the point that his dad flew out last year to meet with Oiler management to discuss possible fit. That was with the Chiarelli regime, however, so things could have changed significantly.

if there was an ounce of truth the oilers would have been hit with tampering charges--any indirect or direct exchange or conversations the NHL would have come down and with Hall reportedly saying he would not talk contract till after the season?

Hall has said he wants to win the cup--oilers are not close to that level and may not be for a few more years

 

[Fourier]

Haven’t had much luck with the Finnish forwards. Granlund, Puljujarvi, Jokinen, Hartikainen, Joenssu (probably missing a bunch of others)

Kurri and Tikkanen were both ok.