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Skinner and Kane are both gone this Summer for sure. Quite confident that was always the plan.

In fact given the rumored pushback of Kane's timeline into March I'm not entirely sure he hasn't played his last game as an Oiler already.

I'll give Arvidsson maybe 10-15 more games here, but if he's not showing a lot of chemistry with Drai and actual real production is happening, I think I would be amenable to moving him out in a deal for Gibson.

It just hasn't worked out as expected, and him missing this many games already raises a bunch of red flags about his durability given that he's under contract for another year too.
 
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I'll give Arvidsson maybe 10-15 more games here, but if he's not showing a lot of chemistry with Drai and actual real production is happening, I think I would be amenable to moving him out in a deal for Gibson.

It just hasn't worked out as expected, and him missing this many games already raises a bunch of red flags about his durability given that he's under contract for another year too.
Why do you keep obsessing about Gibson? Zero reason for the Ducks to take on Arvidsson's salary.
 

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Skinner and Kane are both gone this Summer for sure. Quite confident that was always the plan.

In fact given the rumored pushback of Kane's timeline into March I'm not entirely sure he hasn't played his last game as an Oiler already.
Brown was supposed to be gone too. But playoffs can and will change a lot of perceptions about this team.
 
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Said it in the other thread but

Arvidsson - 4 million
Kane - 5.125 million
Henrique - 3 million
Skinner - 3 million

Is way too much money locked in to over-30 guys who aren't providing a ton of value for their contracts at this point.

I think at minimum 1/4 has to go in-season and one more next summer.

Skinner will be gone this summer since he's UFA so there's your 1/4. Wouldn't be shocked though to see him moved sooner though as a cap balancer in a mid-season deal. I still believe RV has more to give, the dude just needs to stay healthy. Henrique might be done as a 40-point guy but with no trade protection he'll be easy to dump next year.

Kane is the worst of the four deals because even if he is fully recovered I am not sure we will ever see "that" Kane again, and no team will take him for free if he does prove to be washed. That's a situation where we need to be cutthroat and if Evander starts well you maybe take advantage and move him right away. He has too much baggage, makes too much and has a lot of wear. We literally can't afford to be nostalgic here.
 

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I'll give Arvidsson maybe 10-15 more games here, but if he's not showing a lot of chemistry with Drai and actual real production is happening, I think I would be amenable to moving him out in a deal for Gibson.

It just hasn't worked out as expected, and him missing this many games already raises a bunch of red flags about his durability given that he's under contract for another year too.

Honestly I'm a little surprised they haven't given a Skinner or Advidsson an extended look with McDavid. It's not like RNH and Hyman's play this year has been enough to lock those spots down.


Personally I don't mind the idea of keeping the Drai line together, and giving a rework to the 1st and 3rd.

Arvidsson-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Kap
RNH-Rico-Skinner
Brown-Janmark-Perry

McDavid gets two wingers that go to the net well, and Arvidsson is decent enough defensively that the falloff from RNH isn't a massive issue.

The 3rd line gets a strong 2 way personality anchored by RNH and Henrique, who normally look good together. This also puts Skinner in his best spot to succeed, and gives you a few months to evaluate that.

Much like RNH and Henrique, Brown and Janmark work well together and they're used to playing shorthanded, so Perry's slow boots shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
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Skinner will be gone this summer since he's UFA so there's your 1/4. Wouldn't be shocked though to see him moved sooner though as a cap balancer in a mid-season deal. I still believe RV has more to give, the dude just needs to stay healthy. Henrique might be done as a 40-point guy but with no trade protection he'll be easy to dump next year.

Kane is the worst of the four deals because even if he is fully recovered I am not sure we will ever see "that" Kane again, and no team will take him for free if he does prove to be washed. That's a situation where we need to be cutthroat and if Evander starts well you maybe take advantage and move him right away. He has too much baggage, makes too much and has a lot of wear. We literally can't afford to be nostalgic here.

I don't think we should be shy about moving any of these guys even in season. They were signed to do more and there was always risk that because of age/injury their production would be a downhill trajectory.

And it's not like I don't like these guys, I like all of them fine, but in a cap world you have to get better bang for your buck than having a huge chunk of your cap locked in to guys who aren't worth their cap hit.

Honestly I'm a little surprised they haven't given a Skinner or Advidsson an extended look with McDavid. It's not like RNH and Hyman's play this year has been enough to lock those spots down.


Personally I don't mind the idea of keeping the Drai line together, and giving a rework to the 1st and 3rd.

Arvidsson-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Kap
RNH-Rico-Skinner
Brown-Janmark-Perry

McDavid gets two wingers that go to the net well, and Arvidsson is decent enough defensively that the falloff from RNH isn't a massive issue.

The 3rd line gets a strong 2 way personality anchored by RNH and Henrique, who normally look good together. This also puts Skinner in his best spot to succeed, and gives you a few months to evaluate that.

Much like RNH and Henrique, Brown and Janmark work well together and they're used to playing shorthanded, so Perry's slow boots shouldn't be much of an issue.

Even if Arvidsson does OK here, I'm worried about his durability at this point. I don't know if this guy is going to hold up during a playoff run if he's already breaking down like this.

I'll give him another look with both McDavid and Drai sure, but if it's not going gangbusters, I'd cut bait on the contract and just admit it probably wasn't a good idea in the first place and move him out.

Any one of Kane, Arvidsson, Henrique for example would probably be amenable to trades to say Anaheim since they all have family connections to the LA area (Arvy lived there for a few years, Henrique obviously, Kane's wife is from LA).

Gibson with some retention would be my target as a tandem goalie option.

I agree we need to be more cutthroat with these contracts ... if they are not performing or there is a high risk they are on a potentially rapid decline, cut bait soon. They are all at an age where they could be past their prime to begin with, add in massive injury problems for some of them too.
 
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Yes. At this point if we don’t use LTIR THAT will be a distinct managerial failure to give McD his best chance at a Cup in Edmonton.

I think we will.

Remember - Bowman is the one who abused LTIR this way first - with Kane in fact. 😂

 
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I think we will.

Remember - Bowman is the one who abused LTIR this way first - with Kane in fact. 😂

Damn. Maybe it was the plan all along.

So now I have to ask.

Do we get the Cap accrual to spend at the TDL, PLUS the Kane LTIR relief? Are we looking at $8-10M to spend now at TDL. Then we are $5M over the Cap when Kane is activated in the playoffs?
 

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Damn. Maybe it was the plan all along.

So now I have to ask.

Do we get the Cap accrual to spend at the TDL, PLUS the Kane LTIR relief? Are we looking at $8-10M to spend now at TDL. Then we are $5M over the Cap when Kane is activated in the playoffs?

Yes.

We get both.
 

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Just finished catching up on all the posts in this thread today and wow we're their some weird takes.

For starters why are all upset that we didn't trade for Kakko? Who is going out the other way? With Arvidsson and Kane coming back into the lineup at some point we already have too many wingers and that doesn't even factor in how well Kapanen has been playing. Keep in mind Kakko is making 2.4M and has arbitration rights.

Also, why do fans want Borgen? He's not good. He has some of the worst analytics among all dmen and the rangers took on his full 2.7M contract.
Borgen is an interesting guy.

There's no denying he's getting beat up this year, but he had some legit numbers against elite comp last year.

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40% of his ice time was against elites and he and Oleksiak were the only guys to actually come out ahead in possession other than Forsling.

He's also got a fairly elite physical profile. 6'3'' 200lbs and a ~90% skater in speed and bursts.


Hard to say whether last year or this year is the fluke. If he lands somewhere in the middle, I'd say he's one of the better options as a cheap(both to acquire and in salary) rightie that provides most of his value at 5v5.
 
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Yes.

We get both.
Crazy. Pretty much gaurantees EK65 and Hall, and therefore a Cup.

But in all seriousness our options at the TDL are now insane. The market however… not great. But if you have that kind of cash to play with, the market widens for teams wanting to get rid of high cap contracts. Which does actually put EK65 in a more realistic picture as well as other players we may not have on the radar.

We aren’t a top 5 team with our current goaltending.
Actually we are according to Vegas oddsmakers and analytical models.

And we were last year too. Which is why we finished Top 2 in the entire league.
 

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This take is probably hot in here but if there really is an untenable locker room divide between Pettersson and Miller, the Canucks are about to get rid of the wrong guy.

Not that I'm complaining.
They really need to question what the plan is if they're moving either of them.

Miller is certainly a leader in the locker room, but he's going to be 32 in a few months. What's the window and how are they building the team that wins?

That was Rutherford's MO in Pittsburgh. Spinning tires and adding expensive, ineffective vets trying to fill holes. Move Miller or Pettersson and you've got a pretty substantial hole.
 

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Crazy. Pretty much gaurantees EK65 and Hall, and therefore a Cup.

But in all seriousness our options at the TDL are now insane. The market however… not great. But if you have that kind of cash to play with, the market widens for teams wanting to get rid of high cap contracts. Which does actually put EK65 in a more realistic picture as well as other players we may not have on the radar.


Actually we are according to Vegas oddsmakers and analytical models.

And we were last year too. Which is why we finished Top 2 in the entire league.

I guess I'd have to amend my statement for accuracy - theoretically we can get both, but it's not guaranteed.

It really depends though on how well we manage our order of moves. When you enter LTIR you get to exceed the cap by the players salary you're putting on LTIR minus your current cap space.

So in order to get both we'd have to get as close to the deadline as possible to maximize cap accrual without Kane in LTIR, then make deals that takes us as close to the cap as possible, then put Kane on LTIR afterwards.

Which... Isn't necessarily easy or guaranteed but it's certainly possible. There's some sketchy paperwork and league timing involved.
 

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I guess I'd have to amend my statement for accuracy - theoretically we can get both, but it's not guaranteed.

It really depends though on how well we manage our order of moves. When you enter LTIR you get to exceed the cap by the players salary you're putting on LTIR minus your current cap space.

So in order to get both we'd have to go into the deadline without Kane on LTIR then make a deal or two that takes us right to the cap, then put Kane on LTIR afterwards.

Which... Isn't necessarily easy or guaranteed but it's certainly possible.
That’s essentially how I assumed the moves would have to go down. I mean we should be able to choose the day we put Kane on LTIR no? So it seems like that’s possible.

IF we can’t get the cap accrual though, then we really have to start questions why Kane on LtIr wasn’t used earlier in relation to the Holloway/Broberg offersheets.
 

TheNumber4

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Oilers played this nicely. Didn’t have reports Kane would be out all season until now so the league can’t ask why we didn’t LTIR him from the beginning.

Now we get the cap accrual plus the LTIR.
Holland would have never put a plan of this complexity or effort level into effect.

Last year I wanted scoring wingers and more finishing. This year I have a million wingers.

I’ve also always wanted more buy low, no risk moves like waiver pick ups, and I got that.

Honestly, I’m liking the JJ/Bowman era thus far.

And when he adds the 4RHD I will be left with nothing to complain about. Not that I complain about that cause it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion we will at the TDL.
 

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Well, I did a bit of a deep dive on Matheson over on Montreal's board. Definitely a mixed bag. Started out after the trade and first season being compared to Pietrangelo and peak Petry. Then in season two it was more like, well, he's dangerous at both ends of the ice but worth it because of the points he puts up. And this season it has deteriorated to this:
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