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[TheNumber4]

There’s also no luck involved when Draisaitl nut sacks half of every roster come playoff time. Or when Kane repeatedly drove Hughes into the boards when his back was turned.

He’s did it like what 3 times? You think that’s comparable to what Cup teams do with team toughness and dirt throughout the line up? When he nut sacks someone he’s doing it out of pure frustration, if anything it hurts the team more than it helps cause when you do something that obviously dirty you either get caught for it or build yourself a bad reputation from the refs.

Yes Kane. The ONLY guy that can bring some dirt to our game. And that’s a problem. We are putting all our eggs in a Basket with Kane, and surprise surprise we’ve already paid for that mistake. Cause when Kane couldn’t go in the Finals, we had no one to put the Panthers stars off their game and playing through pain. Kane and his work on Hughes (who sucked that series) is an example of exactly of why we need MORE of that.

 

[Spawn]

He’s did it like what 3 times? You think that’s comparable to what Cup teams do with team toughness and dirt throughout the line up? When he nut sacks someone he’s doing it out of pure frustration, if anything it hurts the team more than it helps cause when you do something that obviously dirty you either get caught for it or build yourself a bad reputation from the refs.

Yes Kane. The ONLY guy that can bring some dirt to our game. And that’s a problem. We are putting all our eggs in a Basket with Kane, and surprise surprise we’ve already paid for that mistake. Cause when Kane couldn’t go in the Finals, we had no one to put the Panthers stars off their game and playing through pain. Kane and his work on Hughes (who sucked that series) is an example of exactly of why we need MORE of that.

The Oilers lost game 7 by one goal. The difference wasn’t grit. It was one goalie was better than the other when it mattered and we couldn’t score in the game.

 

[TheNumber4]

The Oilers lost game 7 by one goal. The difference wasn’t grit. It was one goalie was better than the other when it mattered and we couldn’t score in the game.

It very well could have been grit. Our bruised and battered Stars couldn’t pot the one extra goal we expect of them. Maybe the Panthers snipers don’t pot that one extra goal if they had taken multiple slashes to the wrist throughout that series and the series before. (Soft ass Rags definitely didn’t do anything to hurt them, unlike the Nucks who did every they could to hurt our Stars).

 

[belair]

Lol. Why did he pivot away from the passing lane completely leaving it open to cover… nothing?

He didn't see Connor.

I'd like to see Kakko with Drai

Like Podkolzin, slower, yet still better.

 

[Slats432]

I am not a guy that wants every player that is put on waivers, but I at one time thought this was a very good player.

Winnipeg Jets place Dylan Coghlan on waivers – Illegal Curve Hockey

The Jets make some room on the roster by waiving the right-shot Dman.

illegalcurve.com

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Put it to you another way:

There was no “luck” involved when Duncan Kieth elbowed a Sedin. There was no “luck” involved when the Bolts crosschecked Gallagher 5 times in one scrum leaving him bruised, bloodied, and completely ineffective. There was no “luck” involved when MacKinnon slewfooted an already injured Draisaitl. There was no “luck” involved when Landeskog elbowed Yamo. There was no “luck” involved when Tkachuk punched McD 5 times in the face.

These Championship teams bring the DIRT. To put their teams over the top. We do not. We think we can just out play them and that’ll be good enough. It won’t be if they are actively doing everything they can to neutralize our Stars and we aren’t doing anything back to them.

There was no luck involved when that cuck giraffe Tyler Myers smoked and bruised/injured Drais ribs

Our guys need to be dirty. Sneaky dirty. Injuring some good guys on the other team always helps.

Maybe we win with a healthy Kane/Drai

 

[TheNumber4]

There was no luck involved when that cuck giraffe Tyler Myers smoked and bruised/injured Drais ribs

Our guys need to be dirty. Sneaky dirty. Injuring some good guys on the other team always helps.

Maybe we win with a healthy Kane/Drai

Yup forearm shiver into Drai was part of the plan. Seems to be part of the plan for coaches who have been around and seen alot. Ie. Tochett. ie. Maurice (especially Maurice who's spent his whole career battling with refs and trying to figure out how to win the game within the game).

Exactly. "Sneaky Dirty" is the term. That's the element we need to add to our game. Can also say smart dirty, the type of dirt that hurts their stars but keeps us out of the penalty box. Or atleast not in the box when the game is still in question.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Yeh maybe those percentages even out.

Yes context is important. So we should remember that Mcleod is playing on a trash fire and Henrique is playing on the best team in the League.

Same argument about Stu. One guy who is blowing his #'s out of the water was on a trash heap team and Stu is on a top team putting up bottom of the barrel numbers while the other guy was putting up better than league average and still is

 

[nexttothemoon]

Did some more stat crunching to see just how good the Oilers overall team defense has been this season.

Looking at every opponent the Oilers have played so far and the expected goals against based on each of those opponents High danger, Medium danger and Low Danger shots/60 plus those opponents finishing ability of their respective HD, MD and LD shooting percentages.

Here's the stats based on the quality of opposition the Oilers have faced so far:

With Pickard in net:

The opposition based on their average HD, MD and LD shots per game and their respective shooting percentages in each category would have been expected to score 27.174 goals but the Oilers limited their shots to the point of having an expected goals against of just 22.048. That's a net improvement of an expected 5.126 fewer goals against. Pickard actually gave up 25 goals in the games he's played so that "gave back" 3 of those 5 goals.

With Skinner in net:

The opposition based on their average HD, MD and LD shots per game and their respective shooting percentages in each category would have been expected to score 62.068 goals but the Oilers limited their shots to the point of having an expected goals against of 57.613. That's a net improvement of an expected 4.455 fewer goals against. Skinner actually gave up 61 goals in the games he's played so he "gave back" ~3 of those ~5 goals as well.


So looking at the overall numbers... the Oilers D has been very solid (well above average) and has played at a level where the expected goals against on their goaltenders in net is 79.661 GA whereas based on the quality of their opposition faced so far... those opposing teams would be expected to have 89.424 goals scored based on the opposition ability to create HD, MD and LD shots and their respective finishing ability in those shot categories.

So essentially the Oilers team D is saving this team ~10 goals through 31 games BUT the Oilers goalies have let in 86 goals... so they've handed back about 6 of those goals to the opposition based on their below average play on the season so far.

I found it interesting to see the actual effects of the team defense and the Oilers goaltending (after looking at the actual quality of opposing teams shot production and finishing ability).

So over the course of a full season (if the numbers above can be projected over a full season)... the Oilers above average team defense will save this team ~26 goals against but the goaltenders will give back ~17 goals of that advantage over the course of a full 82 game season.

Of course Skinner and Pickard are playing better as of late so hopefully that helps in not giving the majority of that solid team defense advantage right back to opposing teams.

 

[TheNumber4]

Same argument about Stu. One guy who is blowing his #'s out of the water was on a trash heap team and Stu is on a top team putting up bottom of the barrel numbers while the other guy was putting up better than league average and still is

Stu's an average goalie that can sometimes get hot at his best, and starts the years off horrendously which is always going to have a pull-down effect on his overall stats. Blackwood was the only guy that made obvious sense to go and get, said that in the past, but he's gone so it's crying over spilled milk at this point.

Last year, the Stu Haters doubted we could get anywhere with Stu. We still won 15 out of 16 games. And it's not like that was an out of the world prediction that we could win with Stu. Every Vegas oddsmaker, most Hockey Analysts, and nearly all Predictive Models had us winning it WITH Stu in Net. People want to act like we have ZERO chance with Stu, go ahead and treat the entire hockey season as a waste of time I guess. I won't.

 

[Soundwave]

Stu's an average goalie that can sometimes get hot at his best, and starts the years off horrendously which is always going to have a pull-down effect on his overall stats. Blackwood was the only guy that made obvious sense to go and get, said that in the past, but he's gone so it's crying over spilled milk at this point.

Last year, the Stu Haters doubted we could get anywhere with Stu. We still won 15 out of 16 games. And it's not like that was an out of the world prediction that we could win with Stu. Every Vegas oddsmaker, most Hockey Analysts, and nearly all Predictive Models had us winning it WITH Stu in Net. People want to act like we have ZERO chance with Stu, go ahead and treat the entire hockey season as a waste of time I guess. I won't.

What's the point of trying to make winning a Cup harder than it has to be? Teams aren't supposed to handicap themselves, the only thing you're doing by accepting that is making it easier for other teams.

Believe me, every other teams wants the Oilers to keep doing this for many, many more years. Why would you want to keep doing something your opponents hoping to beat you want you to do?

It's a great equalizer for them. Florida has a Cup because of it, probably Vegas too.

 

[TheNumber4]

What's the point of trying to make winning a Cup harder than it has to be? Teams aren't supposed to handicap themselves, the only thing you're doing by accepting that is making it easier for other teams.

Believe me, every other teams wants the Oilers to keep doing this for many, many more years.

It's a great equalizer for them. Florida has a Cup because of it, probably Vegas too.

The Oilers are looking at their team in TOTALITY. That includes defence, forwards, and goaltending. Ultimately it all translates to GF and GA. On the GA front that is driven by a COMBINATION of team defence (which includes personnel and coaching) and goaltending ability. The Oilers feel comfortable in their GA which is probably why they haven't blown their load to address the "issue".

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

What's the point of trying to make winning a Cup harder than it has to be? Teams aren't supposed to handicap themselves, the only thing you're doing by accepting that is making it easier for other teams.

Believe me, every other teams wants the Oilers to keep doing this for many, many more years. Why would you want to keep doing something your opponents hoping to beat you want you to do?

It's a great equalizer for them. Florida has a Cup because of it, probably Vegas too.

Skinner literally outplayed Bobrovsky in the finals

 

[GrumpyKoala]

People want to act like we have ZERO chance with Stu, go ahead and treat the entire hockey season as a waste of time I guess. I won't.

There always gonna be a chance, but it will be difficult.

It like fishing with a line and Skinner.

 

[TheNumber4]

There always gonna be a chance, but it will be difficult.

It like fishing with a line and Skinner.

Not only just a chance. Literally close to the best chance in the League. Like we had last year and like we are trending again to have this year. As an Oilers fan or hockey fan, what more can you ask for.

 

[Soundwave]

Skinner literally outplayed Bobrovsky in the finals

Not in games 1, 2, 3, or 7 ... which they all won. We tanked Bob's numbers with one blow out game especially but in the 4 games they won, he was their best player.

 

[Mr Positive]

Stu's an average goalie that can sometimes get hot at his best, and starts the years off horrendously which is always going to have a pull-down effect on his overall stats. Blackwood was the only guy that made obvious sense to go and get, said that in the past, but he's gone so it's crying over spilled milk at this point.

Last year, the Stu Haters doubted we could get anywhere with Stu. We still won 15 out of 16 games. And it's not like that was an out of the world prediction that we could win with Stu. Every Vegas oddsmaker, most Hockey Analysts, and nearly all Predictive Models had us winning it WITH Stu in Net. People want to act like we have ZERO chance with Stu, go ahead and treat the entire hockey season as a waste of time I guess. I won't.

Parity is huge in this league. There are no requirements to win a cup anymore. We could win the cup without making a single move. The Pens won a cup with Justin Schultz as their #1D. We had that kind of situation with Skinner in net. When he starts slumping in the playoffs it's like overcoming a 2 loss handicap. And yes, a team with McDavid, Draisaitl, Ekholm and Bouchard can do that.

I am fine with keeping Skinner. I will even say that maybe he's better than his stats and advanced stats say. But, maybe not. I don't get why we wouldn't explore that.

Why not put a Blackwood next to him, or whatever goalie you'd think is interesting to try? Cycle guys in. I would bet that that strat will pay off big for Colorado, just like it did for Vegas. If Vegas had our attitude to goalies, would they have a cup? I think not

The fact that Pickard has looked good here just tells me that maybe a truly great talent would shine here.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

If they really wanted to definitively solidify the goaltending then they might want to inquire about Saros.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

 

[TheNumber4]

Did some more stat crunching to see just how good the Oilers overall team defense has been this season.

Looking at every opponent the Oilers have played so far and the expected goals against based on each of those opponents High danger, Medium danger and Low Danger shots/60 plus those opponents finishing ability of their respective HD, MD and LD shooting percentages.

Here's the stats based on the quality of opposition the Oilers have faced so far:

With Pickard in net:

The opposition based on their average HD, MD and LD shots per game and their respective shooting percentages in each category would have been expected to score 27.174 goals but the Oilers limited their shots to the point of having an expected goals against of just 22.048. That's a net improvement of an expected 5.126 fewer goals against. Pickard actually gave up 25 goals in the games he's played so that "gave back" 3 of those 5 goals.

With Skinner in net:

The opposition based on their average HD, MD and LD shots per game and their respective shooting percentages in each category would have been expected to score 62.068 goals but the Oilers limited their shots to the point of having an expected goals against of 57.613. That's a net improvement of an expected 4.455 fewer goals against. Skinner actually gave up 61 goals in the games he's played so he "gave back" ~3 of those ~5 goals as well.


So looking at the overall numbers... the Oilers D has been very solid (well above average) and has played at a level where the expected goals against on their goaltenders in net is 79.661 GA whereas based on the quality of their opposition faced so far... those opposing teams would be expected to have 89.424 goals scored based on the opposition ability to create HD, MD and LD shots and their respective finishing ability in those shot categories.

So essentially the Oilers team D is saving this team ~10 goals through 31 games BUT the Oilers goalies have let in 86 goals... so they've handed back about 6 of those goals to the opposition based on their below average play on the season so far.

I found it interesting to see the actual effects of the team defense and the Oilers goaltending (after looking at the actual quality of opposing teams shot production and finishing ability).

So over the course of a full season (if the numbers above can be projected over a full season)... the Oilers above average team defense will save this team ~26 goals against but the goaltenders will give back ~17 goals of that advantage over the course of a full 82 game season.

Of course Skinner and Pickard are playing better as of late so hopefully that helps in not giving the majority of that solid team defense advantage right back to opposing teams.

Interesting analysis. Confirms quite a bit of things we already know for sure. The Oilers goaltending hasn't been good enough. And the Oilers are a well defending team. And Pickard gets the easier starts as well. Will be interesting to see this analysis done from the beginning to half way point and half way point to end of the year. As the second analysis will give us a picture of what really matters when we go into the playoffs.

 

[McAsuno]

 

[Mr Positive]

Borgen was a low key decent target for us but man that price is steep. A bad trade for the Rangers imo

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh damn. The Will Borgen dream is dead. But the return sounds about right for Kappo.

 

[belair]

Damn it. We didn't have a Will Borgen for them, but that's pretty light.

 

[McDNicks17]

Trading Kakko for a rental and some low picks is definitely something.