Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Canovin]

In your Rantanen deal, I wonder if Arvidsson could go the other way, that way the Canes get a scoring forward, as well as assets? I do like Arvy, but I would trade him for this kind of change/upgrade.

I checked the cap, Arvid doesn't have to go the other way if we use Kane LTIR and Pickard 1M. But if we are looking to upgrade the Klingberg position, Arvid would certainly have to be traded

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I checked the cap, Arvid doesn't have to go the other way if we use Kane LTIR and Pickard 1M. But if we are looking to upgrade the Klingberg position, Arvid would certainly have to be traded

That's my expectation, plus I (and I know I don't do this much) am trying to consider what the Canes might be looking for in return. It's a tougher sell to get just futures, after trading what amounts to your 2 leading scorers.

 

[McDNicks17]

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I'm curious where those numbers come from.

He has a worse xGF% and Offensive Zone time on Edge than most guys on there, but somehow has by far the highest puck possession number?

 

[backhandsauce]

B-Schenn???

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

B-Schenn???

lolz, not a chance. The guys washed and still has 3 yrs left at $6.5M on the cap. He's a possible buyout in the summer, absolutely not someone you trade assets for, unless you're like Chicago and you're trying to prop up your cap with an expensive Vet.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

TIL oilfans is still up and running. I think I lasted posted there in ~2006. There was a poster named Tombstone who had convinced half the forum he was an insider who worked for the team. Turns out he was just full of shit lol.

It's still up and running? Wow I remember posting there in 2005

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Theodore out week to week. Knights will be looking for a dman

 

[McDrai]

Theodore out week to week. Knights will be looking for a dman

Josh Brown for Lavoie

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Theodore out week to week. Knights will be looking for a dman

Ah, so on LTIR until game one of the 1st round, seems likely.

Maybe they'll overpay for Risto.

 

[guymez]

In the Florida series, all the goals in Game 3 were from secondary scorers (all gone now but I digress).
A whole bunch of non-McDrai guys scored in Game 4, the depth guys scored 2 of the goals in Game 5, they scored 4 goals in Game 6 and the depth guys scored the only goal in Game 7.

The depth scoring was actually pretty tremendous in the SCF, that was not the issue. The issue was scoring 1 goal total in the first 2 games of the series, none by the top guys, and nothing from them in Game 7 and Skinner letting in a soft goal on the game winning goal. The depth guys were great in the last 2 series in particular, not to mention the historically good PK led by the depth guys.
Now it's a new set of depth guys so we'll see how they do come playoff time but depth scoring was not an issue last year.

Don't get me wrong, the top 5 (McDraiman, Bouchard, Ekholm) did a lot of heavy lifting as all top guys usually do for teams but the depth guys weren't an issue last playoffs in the back half in particular.
I think the biggest detriment to the Oilers in the Cup finals was Draisaitl playing at like 50% capacity if even that, he could hardly skate and was a non-factor.

Actually the secondary scoring was anything but tremendous (when McDavid and Driaisaitl werent scoring) in the SCF.
Thats not an opinion...thats reality.
To properly see that you have to look at the losses...not the wins.
To get an even better picture of what I am talking about expand that and look at every loss in the entire playoffs and not just focus on the SCF.

As I said McDrai scored a grand total of 2 goals in those 11 loses. 1 goal each.
The key to beating this team is to shut down McDrai. Thats true because when you take McDrai out of the game the remaining players arent much of a threat....thats especially true this season.

Its actually worse this year because the team is paying more money and getting no improvement in secondary scoring compared to last season.

 

[North]

lolz, not a chance. The guys washed and still has 3 yrs left at $6.5M on the cap. He's a possible buyout in the summer, absolutely not someone you trade assets for, unless you're like Chicago and you're trying to prop up your cap with an expensive Vet.

And apparently St. Louis wants a haul for him.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

And apparently St. Louis wants a haul for him.

Which is truly hilarious, good luck with that Doug.

 

[CupofOil]

Actually the secondary scoring was anything but tremendous (when McDavid and Driaisaitl werent scoring) in the SCF.
Thats not an opinion...thats reality.
To properly see that you have to look at the losses...not the wins.
To get an even better picture of what I am talking about expand that and look at every loss in the entire playoffs and not just focus on the SCF.

As I said McDrai scored a grand total of 2 goals in those 11 loses. 1 goal each.
The key to beating this team is to shut down McDrai. Thats true because when you take McDrai out of the game the remaining players arent much of a threat....thats especially true this season.

Its actually worse this year because the team is paying more money and getting no improvement in secondary scoring compared to last season.

Well, very few teams are going to win many games in the playoffs when their top 2 lines aren't scoring.

As I said before, the Oilers top 5 did a lot of the heavy lifting in the first half of the playoffs in particular (this is always going to be the case with a top heavy team with a top heavy salary structure so get used to it) but the Oilers didn't lose the SCF's because they weren't getting enough contributions from their depth players. 1 goal total in the first 2 games so, yeah, the depth guys didn't score but neither did the top guys who get paid to score. Then the depth guys scored plenty in the next 4 games and Janmark scored the only goal in Game 7. Depth scoring was not why they lost the SCF's, their top guys put up 1 assist total in the 3 losses in Florida and Skinner let in a stinker against Reinhart in Game 7. No team is winning a Cup with their top guys going M.I.A. in 3 of the losses unless your goalie stands on his head and steals one or two.

But yes, the Oilers need more from Arvidsson and Skinner. Not getting enough bang for their buck for $7m even though Skinner has come on as of late and Arvidsson has played well away from the puck and defensively. Need more scoring from them in particular.

 

[powerserge]

Well, very few teams are going to win many games in the playoffs when their top 2 lines aren't scoring.

As I said before, the Oilers top 5 did a lot of the heavy lifting in the first half of the playoffs in particular (this is always going to be the case with a top heavy team with a top heavy salary structure so get used to it) but the Oilers didn't lose the SCF's because they weren't getting enough contributions from their depth players. 1 goal total in the first 2 games so, yeah, the depth guys didn't score but neither did the top guys who get paid to score. Then the depth guys scored plenty in the next 4 games and Janmark scored the only goal in Game 7. Depth scoring was not why they lost the SCF's, their top guys put up 1 assist total in the 3 losses in Florida and Sinner let in a stinker against Reinhart in Game 7. No team is winning a Cup with their top guys going M.I.A. in 3 of the losses unless your goalie stands on his head and steals one or two.

But yes, the Oilers need more from Arvidsson and Skinner. Not getting enough bang for their buck for $7m even though Skinner has come on as of late and Arvidsson has played well away from the puck and defensively. Need more scoring from them in particular.

Agreed. Holloway alone is outproducing both Skinner and Arv. 7 million vs 2 million...

Would add Rico into the we need more from you camp. 10 million bucks of we need more between the 3.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Better the 2nd time? Actually yes, I think it would be worth exploring.

 

[Canovin]

Agreed. Holloway alone is outproducing both Skinner and Arv. 7 million vs 2 million...

Would add Rico into the we need more from you camp. 10 million bucks of we need more between the 3.

Holloway is playing all three position?

 

[McHelpus]

Better the 2nd time? Actually yes, I think it would be worth exploring.

If Kane is dumb enough to ruin the LTIR space, we won't have room for anyone.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

I'm curious where those numbers come from.

He has a worse xGF% and Offensive Zone time on Edge than most guys on there, but somehow has by far the highest puck possession number?

Natural Stat Trick

 

[Captain Controversy]

Better the 2nd time? Actually yes, I think it would be worth exploring.

Oh looks, it's almost like I have some inside information or something.

 

[guymez]

Well, very few teams are going to win many games in the playoffs when their top 2 lines aren't scoring.

As I said before, the Oilers top 5 did a lot of the heavy lifting in the first half of the playoffs in particular (this is always going to be the case with a top heavy team with a top heavy salary structure so get used to it) but the Oilers didn't lose the SCF's because they weren't getting enough contributions from their depth players. 1 goal total in the first 2 games so, yeah, the depth guys didn't score but neither did the top guys who get paid to score. Then the depth guys scored plenty in the next 4 games and Janmark scored the only goal in Game 7. Depth scoring was not why they lost the SCF's, their top guys put up 1 assist total in the 3 losses in Florida and Skinner let in a stinker against Reinhart in Game 7. No team is winning a Cup with their top guys going M.I.A. in 3 of the losses unless your goalie stands on his head and steals one or two.

But yes, the Oilers need more from Arvidsson and Skinner. Not getting enough bang for their buck for $7m even though Skinner has come on as of late and Arvidsson has played well away from the puck and defensively. Need more scoring from them in particular.

We're not talking about the top 2 lines though...we are talking about the top line.
Knoblauch was playing MCDavid and Draisaitl together (especially in the series against Florida) and he did that a lot because the team doesnt have the depth to play them (as a default) on their own lines when they are chasing a game (or in that case) a series.

So we have to be clear on what it is we are talking about here.

If this team had legitimate depth then the need to play McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line wouldnt be a major factor like it is now.
If this team had legitimate depth then having McDavid and Draisaitl on seperate lines would be the go to strategy in every game because that would make this team much harder to defend.
When the opposing team has to play 2 sets of dmen and a minimum of 2 lines against the Oilers top 2 lines that is a much more difficult task and it strains the other teams depth.

Teams that win the SC do so because they have legitimate depth in their lineup...on D and at forward.

BTW...the entire team scored 1 freaking goal in game 7 of the SCF. One.
They also scored zero goals in game 1 and one goal in game 2.

So in 3 games of the SCF this team (whose identity is all about offence) scored a grand total of 2 goals.
That works out to be 0.67 goals per game in 3 out of 7 games of the SCF.
That is simply not good enough.

 

[bucks_oil]

I think Skinner is really ginna get it together SH of they give him top 6 minutes. Arvidsson is a dud IMO

Arvidsson has the brain of a fourth liner, the skating of a third line energy guy and the frighteningly high-and-wide-used-in-all-situations clapper of an ex-AHL beer-leaguer.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I was just laughing listening to LoweTide. "Vegas is the gold standard"

Hey, maybe we can send a guy in with a bat every year and pop some knees once we are firmly in a playoff spot. Open up some LTIR room. Absolutely genius gold standards, using a loophole from injuries.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

We're not talking about the top 2 lines though...we are talking about the top line.
Knoblauch was playing MCDavid and Draisaitl together (especially in the series against Florida) and he did that a lot because the team doesnt have the depth to play them (as a default) on their own lines when they are chasing a game (or in that case) a series.

So we have to be clear on what it is we are talking about here.

If this team had legitimate depth then the need to play McDavid and Draisaitl on the same line wouldnt be a major factor like it is now.
If this team had legitimate depth then having McDavid and Draisaitl on seperate lines would be the go to strategy in every game because that would make this team much harder to defend.
When the opposing team has to play 2 sets of dmen and a minimum of 2 lines against the Oilers top 2 lines that is a much more difficult task and it strains the other teams depth.

Teams that win the SC do so because they have legitimate depth in their lineup...on D and at forward.

BTW...the entire team scored 1 freaking goal in game 7 of the SCF. One.
They also scored zero goals in game 1 and one goal in game 2.

So in 3 games of the SCF this team (whose identity is all about offence) scored a grand total of 2 goals.
That works out to be 0.67 goals per game in 3 out of 7 games of the SCF.
That is simply not good enough.

Game 7 was a slog and neither team could get an inch. Panthers scored only 2 goals in game 7 and one of the goals was absolute ass.

 

[McDNicks17]

Natural Stat Trick

I don't think so. I would assume they would use xGF% for puck possession and they've got Greenway at 69% with a 48.9% xGF and then Zucker at 42% with a 49.2% xGF.

I found the guy posting them on Reddit(not sure if it's Dom whatever his last name is or another Dom), but I can't find an explanation on the stats.

 

[Oilslick941611]

It's still up and running? Wow I remember posting there in 2005

I checked it out a few months ago, its in a sad state of affairs, theres a few people who post but its not a populated board at all. I was there around 2003-2007 as an alternate to this site and in between bans and timeouts.

TIL oilfans is still up and running. I think I lasted posted there in ~2006. There was a poster named Tombstone who had convinced half the forum he was an insider who worked for the team. Turns out he was just full of shit lol.

I remember the Tombstone saga...Wow memories.