Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[McAsuno]

Skinner would’ve went 4 goals on 13 shots and get pulled if he was in that scenario

 

[CanadasTeam99]

How many games can Bouchard steal for us in a season vs Gibson?

Bouchard at 10 mill would be Nurse level overpayment

 

[McDoused]

GiBsOn LoSt HiS JoB ThO

"Hes been terrible for 5 years now."

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Put up a .888 save % being on the worst team in the league giving up amongst the most high danger chances in the league vs our guy having .909 save % playing behind one the most defensive teams in the league giving up amongst the lowest high danger chances. Hmmm, wonder if hat would happen if the roles were reversed…

So again I ask you why the sudden uptick this year after a slow decline? Returning to form? Or flash in the pan.

You like the sieve in our net better? The guy who has 1980 numbers against top teams and playoff teams?

The sieve who plays behind a MUCH better team.

Does this not comprehend with some of you?

The team that is in front? Is this EA NHL?

I swear anybody who keeps being a contrarian would be in the ocean off of the titanic in freezing water and turn down a life raft b/c it was not the color to their choosing

I'm all for an upgrade in net, I just question whether Gibson is it after being shit for the last 5 years.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

So again I ask you why the sudden uptick this year after a slow decline? Returning to form? Or flash in the pan.



I'm all for an upgrade in net, I just question whether Gibson is it after being shit for the last 5 years.

I can respect your opinion. But to what degree is your "shit" as a definition behinf an atrocious team?

How does this guy have a 0.915 behind a team that is much much worse than us? Hey, I'll take his bounce back.

There are degrees to "shit"

How shit is Skinner behind this team? I would say he is lower rung

Numbers back me up. Last year half sh** , which doesn't cut it

Get 97/29 and co a good goalie and stop making them carry 1000 lb bricks on their back come playoff time

Gregor and Co are probably weeping reading half of our posts. Vehemently telling their lackies to gather data to refute us.

 

[Canovin]

At this point it's not Gibson vs Stuart. Gibson should be the Oilers staring goalie.

The question should be, it's whether Stuart or Pickard for the backup position.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I can respect your opinion. But to what degree is your "shit" as a definition behinf an atrocious team?

How does this guy have a 0.915 behind a team that is much much worse than us? Hey, I'll take his bounce back.

There are degrees to "shit"

How shit is Skinner behind this team? I would say he is lower rung

But again, this is a sample size of about 20 games weighed against 5 years of steady decline. Is he playing like shit right now? No, not necessarily. His numbers are good. My question is sustainability. Is he finally completely healthy?

 

[frag2]

So again I ask you why the sudden uptick this year after a slow decline? Returning to form? Or flash in the pan.



I'm all for an upgrade in net, I just question whether Gibson is it after being shit for the last 5 years.

TBF, you question every move the Oilers make even if it legit helps the team. Your MO has always been to bitch and complain.

 

[belair]

You like the sieve in our net better? The guy who has 1980 numbers against top teams and playoff teams?

The sieve who plays behind a MUCH better team.

Does this not comprehend with some of you?

The team that is in front? Is this EA NHL?

I swear anybody who keeps being a contrarian would be in the ocean off of the titanic in freezing water and turn down a life raft b/c it was not the color to their choosing

I find myself asking the same question when people keep suggesting the Ducks are retaining half of that contract. There's literally no example of a team eating that kind of money over term.

The $6.25m Marleau deal cost the Leafs the 1st rounder that yielded Seth Jarvis that year. I can only imagine what Pat Verbeek would charge for any sort of retention for a player they have no reason to move.

Funny you call this kind of thinking 'contrarian', when this is actually what critical thinking is. I feel I know your thoughts on a lot of things just based on the way you speak.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

TBF, you question every move the Oilers make even if it legit helps the team. Your MO has always been to bitch and complain.

I question adding a goalie that's been bottom of the league for the past while. I cheered Jack Campbell (stupid) and cheered Mattias Ekholm (smart).

It's actually funny looking back at the Ekholm thread and seeing so many people upset with trading Barrie.

 

[Canovin]

I find myself asking the same question when people keep suggesting the Ducks are retaining half of that contract. There's literally no example of a team eating that kind of money over term.

The $6.25m Marleau deal cost the Leafs the 1st rounder that yielded Seth Jarvis that year. I can only imagine what Pat Verbeek would charge for any sort of retention for a player they have no reason to move.

Funny you call this kind of thinking 'contrarian', when this is actually what critical thinking is. I feel I know your thoughts on a lot of things just based on the way you speak.

The Oilers can fit Gibson 6.4M if Stuart goes the other way. Might only cost Stuart+2nd at that point.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

This can happen for forwards too though, Eberle was getting paid 6 million dollars in 16-17 and had 0 goals for us in two playoff rounds, RNH stank it up too, both got outscored by (checks notes) Anton Slepyshev, who actually had more goals than both of them combined and he washed out of the NHL entirely 50 games later.

That's not at all comparable firstly at no point in their careers were either Nuge or Eberle a top 3 forward in the league or anywhere close.

Secondly an equivalent season to the numbers Hellebuyck put up would zero points and a -1 per game, also forwards aren't judged on just goals, assists matter too. The level Slepyshev performed at is still above the level Hellebuyck performed at and not that it matters, but he chose the KHL we offered another contract, he declined.

Thirdly that was the very first playoffs for both Ebs and RNH, not at all comparable to a seasoned veteran like Hellebuyck flopping.

Fourthly the next playoffs they played Ebs had 9 points in 8 GP and Nuge had 8 pts in 4 GP, so they didn't flop in two consecutive playoffs like Hellebuyck.

There is zero equivalency here.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Probably closer to 1st, Skinner, and Savoie. They don't need to get rid of him all that badly.

Lol gtfo of here I swear most of your posts are just meant to stir the pot. Name me one goalie that has returned a first a recent top ten pick and a decent replacement goalie..nobody would pay that even with 50 percent retention.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

But again, this is a sample size of about 20 games weighed against 5 years of steady decline. Is he playing like shit right now? No, not necessarily. His numbers are good. My question is sustainability. Is he finally completely healthy?

Fair question.

I personally do not look into the 5 year number behind that team. Anaheim was so atrocious, I can't look at it. If they were even middle of the pack, I would take the numbers more into consideration.

Health wise, that is up to our medical team to decide.

I question adding a goalie that's been bottom of the league for the past while. I cheered Jack Campbell (stupid) and cheered Mattias Ekholm (smart).

It's actually funny looking back at the Ekholm thread and seeing so many people upset with trading Barrie.

Nothing funnier than Rishaug crying on the radio for days wondering why we did it loll

Or That Hernan guy on Lowetide crying about signing Hyman

 

[Ritchie Valens]

How many games can Bouchard steal for us in a season vs Gibson?

Just to put it in perspective…if you swapped goalies in R2 last spring, the Oilers sweep the Canucks. Svilos was that good. Yes he crashed back to earth and went through the surface layer but goaltending is the most important position especially come playoffs.

I’ve said it before, I’m saying it again and it is a hill I will die on: the Oilers went as far as they did last year in spite of Skinner, not because of him.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Lol gtfo of here I swear most of your posts are just meant to stir the pot. Name me one goalie that has returned a first a recent top ten pick and a decent replacement goalie..nobody would pay that even with 50 percent retention.

Our first would be closer to a second. Anaheim has tons of cap space so they don't exactly need him off the books. Meanwhile the Oilers need to win a Stanley Cup.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I find myself asking the same question when people keep suggesting the Ducks are retaining half of that contract. There's literally no example of a team eating that kind of money over term.

The $6.25m Marleau deal cost the Leafs the 1st rounder that yielded Seth Jarvis that year. I can only imagine what Pat Verbeek would charge for any sort of retention for a player they have no reason to move.

Funny you call this kind of thinking 'contrarian', when this is actually what critical thinking is. I feel I know your thoughts on a lot of things just based on the way you speak.

My posts can come across as emotional. That is never a good way to conduct business, etc in real life. You have to put emotion aside.

I make my snide remarks. Never put limits on yourself. Maybe ANA says get lost if EDM asked for 50%

I would then counter with Skinner and less retention.

I then ride it out. I am ok with Pickard if he gets injured.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

You can say that about pretty much any player drafted after the first round

We aren't talking about players being drafted and the ability to predict how they will turn out in 5-10 years in the future based on watching them as a teenager, we are talking about goalies who have been around for roughly a decade or more and you self appointed goalie gurus still can't predict how they will perform from one season to the next.

 

[belair]

The Oilers can fit Gibson 6.4M if Stuart goes the other way. Might only cost Stuart+2nd at that point.

And this year that would essentially be their only move due to their cap restraints.

In the years following, if Gibson turned out to be a flop, they'd have another Jack Campbell on their hands with absolutely no fallback plan.

It's a goaltender. As much as people hope that the small sample is the sure thing, it's a position that's marred with risk.

 

[McTonyBrar]

And this year that would essentially be their only move due to their cap restraints.

In the years following, if Gibson turned out to be a flop, they'd have another Jack Campbell on their hands with absolutely no fallback plan.

It's a goaltender. As much as people hope that the small sample is the sure thing, it's a position that's marred with risk.

John Gibson has been a starter and a star for so long. Jack Campbell had never been a legit starter or star. Very big difference

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Again, good bet for the Oilers, a risk worth taking.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

How many games can Bouchard steal for us in a season vs Gibson?

Do defenseman steal games?

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Sooooo....

Gibson (some retention)
Dumoulin (some retention and re-sign an extra year)
Ross Johnston (13th warrior -in for 2 and out for 2)

 

[VeteranPresence]

We aren't talking about players being drafted and the ability to predict how they will turn out in 5-10 years in the future based on watching them as a teenager, we are talking about goalies who have been around for roughly a decade or more and you self appointed goalie gurus still can't predict how they will perform from one season to the next.

But all the examples you gave of breakout goalies (plus a bonus one since he moved in-season) had positive arrows before it happened:

Hill- Save percentages of 0.918, 0.913, and 0.906 on some not great teams before Vegas traded for him
Stolarz- Was above 0.900 every team he played for (except for us lol) including a 0.925 last year
Thompson- 0.914, 0.915, 0.908 before arriving in Washington
Blackwood- 0.911 on a completely shit Sharks team this season prior being traded

Gibson would follow that trend (0.915 this year, never a year below 0.914 before the Ducks began their rebuild in 2019). Now that the team is not complete lottery material he's back up to where he was five years ago.

You know what you don't see happen? A goalie put up putrid stats multiple years in a row on an otherwise good team and then suddenly become better elsewhere. That's what Skinner is, no guesswork required.

We need another goalie. Pretending it's impossible to at least make an educated guess about who could be better is not an excuse to go out and get one... or two... or three... until you find one that works. That's what Colorado did and they found a starter. Meanwhile we're still on Step 0. Why is this hard for some people (including Bowman it seems)?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sooooo....

Gibson (some retention)
Dumoulin (some retention and re-sign an extra year)
Ross Johnston (13th warrior -in for 2 and out for 2)

I get liking what Johnston is, he sucks at hockey.