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Bryanbryoil said:
Since when did extra goalies cost this much? Are you talking Saros or someone better? Gibson has been on the outs for years and carries a hefty price tag to boot.
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Because he needs to be retained like Henrique was.

I also don't hearing anyone talking about potential injuries. If Skinner got hurt, are we going to run Pickard or Rodrigue to the cup final??

Way too much to risk not acquiring a goalie and I just don't think Bowman will do it.
 
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Fixed to Ruin said:
This is the right way of looking at it. I have said consistently that the Oilers will have to bolster their defense to eliminate Skinner's inconsistent play from the equation as much as possible because there is no upgrade to be had on what we already have considering the cost in terms of assets and cap space.

The Oilers even though some analytics point to some positive outcomes they also struggle mightily against the rush and in front of the net. When Stetcher can't box out Knies, that's a problem. When Lehkonen and Makar get to walk down main street uncontested and get to pick their spot on our goalies, that's a problem.

Chicago won a cup with Antti Niemi who was an average goalie during that era and was quite successful playing behind Keith, Seabrook, Byfuglien and Campbell.

The Oilers need to build their own version of that on the Blueline with Nurse, Ekholm, Bouchard and whatever guy they can get at the deadline that can keep the grade A++ chances to a minimum.
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How do you bolster it to stop simple shots like Mackinnons first goal? What are you supposed to do? Give them lasers in their eyes to deflect that puck elsewhere? Skinner lets in too many goals where the D did their job.

This team is fried if it thinks it can just try to bring in some dman and all will be well. They will learn their lesson.
 
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I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.
 
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McDNicks17 said:
I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.
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foshizzle said:
Gregor was on Rishaug’s Got yer back podcast. I asked that very question. They ignored it. Several posters asked it- they ignored it. Gregor called everyone who criticizes Skinner “trolls”
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Those two guys. One of them will spend 30 minutes complaining that the team doesn't hit even after games they won, and the other suggested putting crystals in the dressing room when the team was dealing with injuries; yet neither will even consider addressing Skinner's struggles. They aren't really serious commentators, and I've stopped watching GYB after they simply refused to talk about Skinner after another stink job performance.
 
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McDNicks17 said:
I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.
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Him or Reimer who has had a good year behind a bad defense. If they can't get Gibson.
 
It sucks that Utah keeps winning. They are only 6 points back of Vancouver for that final playoff spot. I would they would just keep him unless the Oilers overpay.

Having said that no one in the west needs a goalie except for Edmonton. Utah, Calgary, Colorado, Minnesota, LA, Dallas and Winnipeg all have their goaltending figures out.

The only ones that might be interesting is Vancouver (if Demko is still injured) and Vegas (if they don't think Hill is having a good year).

In the east Toronto, Ottawa, Florida, Tampa, New Jersey, Washington, New York (rangers and isles), and Boston are set.

The only ones that might need to upgrade are Carolina (if Andersen is injured), Columbus and Detroit.
 
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McDNicks17 said:
I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.
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How is Ingram any better or different then whe we have right now??? Lateral move at best. Even that's a stretch
 
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belair said:
Our goalie issues date back even farther. I feel the last consistently solid starting goaltender in Oiler silks was Curtis Joseph. We've had a handful of guys that put up a solid stretch, but they never seem to live up to the expectations of the role or the contract.
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Our goaltending issues coincided with Glen Sather leaving town. He understood how important that position is. Nobody associated with this organization has prioritized it since he left.
 
Zerotonine said:
How is Ingram any better or different then whe we have right now??? Lateral move at best. Even that's a stretch
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He's definitely an upgrade on Pickard and can actually play a starter's role if needed. Not to mention he's cheap and signed for another year.

I'm sure some people are just going to look at his SV% and that's it, but like I said, there's a lot more to that.
 
If we do go for a goalie upgrade the cost should be low shouldn’t it ?

What other playoff team will need a goalie? I can’t think of anyone
 
McDNicks17 said:
I still feel like Ingram makes the most sense.

He's been really good since coming back in January. 0.12 GSAA/60 and .920 SV% at 5v5. His numbers get beat up on the PK, but I find that's more systematic than individual play for goalies.

The main thing I like about him is he consistently puts up a good high danger SV%. He's tied for 12th best at 5v5 this year. Was 9th best last year.
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Aren't we great at limiting high danger scoring chances?

Stealth1616 said:
If we do go for a goalie upgrade the cost should be low shouldn’t it ?

What other playoff team will need a goalie? I can’t think of anyone
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Carolina?
 
McDNicks17 said:
He's definitely an upgrade on Pickard and can actually play a starter's role if needed. Not to mention he's cheap and signed for another year.

I'm sure some people are just going to look at his SV% and that's it, but like I said, there's a lot more to that.
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How is he an upgrade? Honest question? He hasn't done anything to stand out imo
 
belair said:
The same data you're using shows Skinner as a 0.900 goalie currently on pace to start 60 games this season. A 0.905 goalie that started 57 regular season games last season and 23 playoff games last season. And a 0.913 goalie the previous season, starting 48 games.

You and I have a very different definition of semantics. Because Stuart Skinner being the Oilers starting goalie is reality. And it's been that for the past three seasons.

When discussing Gibson, you seem to want to envision the very small sample of passable play as the reliable sample. Ignoring the very large sample of substandard play where he was one of the worst starters in the league, while his partners fared better.

When all is said and done, I think the Oilers will have to do something in goal at the deadline. I'm not convinced that management isn't concerned about Skinner's ability to manage that workload. But I don't see them targeting Gibson, because that would be the only move that Edmonton could make. And I think that would be an expensive unnecessary risk with a high likelihood of failure.
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Um, no- those aren’t the same stats I am using. Save % is team stat based on a number of factors. Being a .900 goalie this year with how little the oilers give up in terms of high danger chances is horrendous.

I’ll be kind- let’s go with your stats. His save% has gone every singly f***ing year despite the oilers getting better defensively. His first period save % is 0.875. His save % against the top 10 teams in the league .872 with a ridiculously bad -11 goals saved above expected. You thought Gibson’s number were bad in previous seasons- you may not want to be arguing for Skinner based on the team in front of him.

.872 and -11 goals saved above expected are numbers worse than Campbell’s (significantly) when he was sent down. They are much worse than Koskinen when he was chased out of town.

Skinner is the Oilers starter. I will give you that. He is, however, not an NHL starting goalie…on any other team (he’s 55th in goals saved above expected)

soothsayer said:
Those two guys. One of them will spend 30 minutes complaining that the team doesn't hit even after games they won, and the other suggested putting crystals in the dressing room when the team was dealing with injuries; yet neither will even consider addressing Skinner's struggles. They aren't really serious commentators, and I've stopped watching GYB after they simply refused to talk about Skinner after another stink job performance.
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jukon said:
Goalies are voodoo to me idk, but I did say that I wanted Kuemper over Campbell.
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No such thing as “voodoo”. Goalies train and practice their position just like any other player. When GMs use that term, it’s just a euphemism for “I don’t know what the f*** I’m talking about”
 
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Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
I agree 100 percent. We have the team now and in the future we probably won't.

I'm starting to see and hear that there will not be any significant moves happening. Unless Bowman is playing really good poker or has a change of heart this has bust written all over it.
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I can’t see this. It would be an epic failure. Especially because the teams roster was set with holes for the sole reason of accruing cap space for the deadline.

I don’t mind trying the waiver wire guys and the reclamation projects. Because if they work out you still have that cap space to keep adding more.

But we still have most of the cap space. More needs to be added. Without some additions we can kiss the cup goodbye. I think Bowman is just keeping things quiet, like you said. Sitting on this roster would not be good enough and would be completely incompetent.
 
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