Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Ritchie Valens]

A lot of NHL-insiders have reported that there aren't many (hardly any in fact) teams looking for a goalie upgrade this year. So as far as "market conditions", it really might be a great year to try and get a 1B goalie on the cheap.

The Oilers got one of those, they need a 1A.

 

[Soundwave]

Mikko Koskinen in about the same number of games played for the Oilers was just a shade under .907.

Skinner is .908 (and dropping).

164GP for Koskinen in Edmonton, 160GP for Skinner.

They're about the same tier of goalie, people should just accept that. Yes save percentages are down league wide of late, but on the flipside is Koskinen played behind much worse teams including the a non-playoff misses the Oilers had in 18-19 seasons where they making top 10 picks and Chiarelli had gutted the team of all depth.

I'd say that makes that a wash (maybe even still advantage Skinner).

The reason people are willing to look at Koskinen with sober eyes is because in part he's a Finnish goaltender and not born in Edmonton.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

The Oilers retooled their entire analytics department. Numbers don't lie re: Skinner.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

In other words, welcome to the Oilers soon

Play him in the top 6. Arvidsson hasn't done enough to this point and Skinner has only recently started coming along.

Hyman-McDavid-Savoie
Skinner-Draisaitl-Kapanen
Janmark-RNH-Arvidsson
Podkolzin-Henrique-Perry

If Connor is indeed hurting like we suspect he is, Savoie can help with the puck carrying and playmaking on that line. Kind of like how RNH is trying to take on some of that role on PP1.

 

[McAsuno]

You know who actually isn't a starting goalie right now and hasn't been an effective one in over half a decade?

John Gibson.

Gibson is more of a starter than Stuart Sievnner

 

[Soundwave]

Play him in the top 6. Arvidsson hasn't done enough to this point and Skinner has only recently started coming along.

Hyman-McDavid-Savoie
Skinner-Draisaitl-Kapanen
Janmark-RNH-Arvidsson
Podkolzin-Henrique-Perry

If Connor is indeed hurting like we suspect he is, Savoie can help with the puck carrying and playmaking on that line. Kind of like how RNH is trying to take on some of that role on PP1.

I don't think McDavid is hurt. I don't think people understand how hard it is to be balls to the wall 100% in a regular season all the time. People don't care when Kucherov or MacKinnon have a sub-par regular season, it's only news if McDavid is slightly below his normal pace.

There's nothing that interesting in the regular season for McDavid anymore, he's won everything you can win individually, even in the playoffs he's now won the Conn Smythe. There's only one trophy that matters anymore.

Gibson is more of a starter than Stuart Sievnner

Gibson has a high talent roof there's no doubt about that. At one time he was tipped to be a top 5-8 goalie in the league. It's not his fault he was young when Getzlaf/Perry were already old and the team was going into a rock bottom rebuild.

There's no gauruntee of anything to anyone, but I think there's a good probability that coming here would rejuvenate his career and reputation significantly.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Gibson is more of a starter than Stuart Sievnner

Gibson isn't even the starter on the Ducks

 

[Soundwave]

Gibson isn't even the starter on the Ducks

Skinner would be in the AHL if he was on the Ducks though. That's the difference, as both Dostal and Gibson are better than him.

Which is kind of sad, there are bottom 10 teams in this league where legitimately Skinner wouldn't even make the NHL roster. It's insane the role he is given here.

 

[McAsuno]

Get Gibson or Vejmelka, enough said

Gibson isn't even the starter on the Ducks

Skinner wouldn’t even be the backup on the ducks.

 

[McAsuno]

So bad Skinner is near no save Dave level of garbage.

 

[Zerotonine]

Mikko Koskinen in about the same number of games played for the Oilers was just a shade under .907.

Skinner is .908 (and dropping).

164GP for Koskinen in Edmonton, 160GP for Skinner.

They're about the same tier of goalie, people should just accept that. Yes save percentages are down league wide of late, but on the flipside is Koskinen played behind much worse teams including the a non-playoff misses the Oilers had in 18-19 seasons where they making top 10 picks and Chiarelli had gutted the team of all depth.

I'd say that makes that a wash (maybe even still advantage Skinner).

The reason people are willing to look at Koskinen with sober eyes is because in part he's a Finnish goaltender and not born in Edmonton.

Crazy how similar the stats are yet kostco was run out of town and Skinner is praised as r knight in shinning armor. Lol can't make this shit up

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

Get Gibson or Vejmelka, enough said


Skinner wouldn’t even be the backup on the ducks.

Skinner's 61 and Pickard is 74 lmao

 

[foshizzle]

Data doesn't determine a player's role. Playing time does. Data is a tool that helps you measure performance over a chosen sample.

So, let me get this straight- data determined a persons performance over a given time. Your role isn’t determined by your performance?

To your point- you arguing semantics. Because the Oilers have shitty goaltending and he is the starter on this team makes him a starter in the NHL. I guess Eakins is a qualified NHL coach and Campbell is an NHL goalie

 

[McAsuno]

Skinner's 61 and Pickard is 74 lmao

And yet some posters don’t think this team should upgrade on either of our goalies? Lmao!

 

[foshizzle]

Skinner's 61 and Pickard is 74 lmao

Ignore that. How has he played from Dac 23 to Jan 15th on Tuesdays between 9:32 and 9:34 pm. Best goalie in the league. Also, if he lets one in- blame the lighting in the arena

The Oilers retooled their entire analytics department. Numbers don't lie re: Skinner.

And left the goaltending dept in tact

 

[Zerotonine]

Skinner's 61 and Pickard is 74 lmao

Lol I'm actually surprised Skinner is ahead of pickard.

But none the less. How your starter isn't top 32 esp when your defensive statistically are top 5 is fking mind blowing

 

[foshizzle]

Crazy how similar the stats are yet kostco was run out of town and Skinner is praised as r knight in shinning armor. Lol can't make this shit up

Gregor was on Rishaug’s Got yer back podcast. I asked that very question. They ignored it. Several posters asked it- they ignored it. Gregor called everyone who criticizes Skinner “trolls”

 

[VeteranPresence]

Data doesn't determine a player's role. Playing time does. Data is a tool that helps you measure performance over a chosen sample.

This makes zero sense lol.

 

[belair]

So, let me get this straight- data determined a persons performance over a given time. Your role isn’t determined by your performance?

To your point- you arguing semantics. Because the Oilers have shitty goaltending and he is the starter on this team makes him a starter in the NHL. I guess Eakins is a qualified NHL coach and Campbell is an NHL goalie

The same data you're using shows Skinner as a 0.900 goalie currently on pace to start 60 games this season. A 0.905 goalie that started 57 regular season games last season and 23 playoff games last season. And a 0.913 goalie the previous season, starting 48 games.

You and I have a very different definition of semantics. Because Stuart Skinner being the Oilers starting goalie is reality. And it's been that for the past three seasons.

When discussing Gibson, you seem to want to envision the very small sample of passable play as the reliable sample. Ignoring the very large sample of substandard play where he was one of the worst starters in the league, while his partners fared better.

When all is said and done, I think the Oilers will have to do something in goal at the deadline. I'm not convinced that management isn't concerned about Skinner's ability to manage that workload. But I don't see them targeting Gibson, because that would be the only move that Edmonton could make. And I think that would be an expensive unnecessary risk with a high likelihood of failure.

 

[LTIR]

I think he should go beside Drai. McD can be hard for players to adapt to, Drai can work with anyone especially since he is just as good of a goalscorer as he is a facilitator. But I agree with the premise, he needs to be tried out before they even consider trading him. I really hope they don't though, as his ELC could be incredibly valuable. He is about as untouchable as it gets for me, outside of the obvious guys on the roster.

That's the whole point. We someone who can adapt to McDavid. Drai can produce with Podkolzin and others fine but giving up Savoie without seeing if he can work with McDavid would be sad

 

[Cloned]

Hughes out for the Four Nations.

McDavid should take a cue and scratch himself due to injury.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Then trade a future 1st. We need guys like Savoie, O'Reilly, etc. to start to fill in the depth roles of the team more than we need a pick from 2 years from now.

Akey, O'Reilly, 2026 first etc aren't going to get us what we need in net. Sorry.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I honestly don't have a suggestion at this point. I think the Oilers need to wait out the market and jump when they have a good idea of where Kane's health is. The Oilers aren't in trouble right now. They can afford to run with the tandem they have until the deadline.

The issue with Gibson ignoring all of the performance expectations is cost. And $6.4m isn't possible this year or the two years following. And any sort of retention turns Gibson into a premium asset. It's an expensive risk that other teams have rightfully balked at for several deadlines. You're also trading with Pat Verbeek, so it's pretty unlikely you're making a trade that's leaning in your favor.

This is the right way of looking at it. I have said consistently that the Oilers will have to bolster their defense to eliminate Skinner's inconsistent play from the equation as much as possible because there is no upgrade to be had on what we already have considering the cost in terms of assets and cap space.

The Oilers even though some analytics point to some positive outcomes they also struggle mightily against the rush and in front of the net. When Stetcher can't box out Knies, that's a problem. When Lehkonen and Makar get to walk down main street uncontested and get to pick their spot on our goalies, that's a problem.

Chicago won a cup with Antti Niemi who was an average goalie during that era and was quite successful playing behind Keith, Seabrook, Byfuglien and Campbell.

The Oilers need to build their own version of that on the Blueline with Nurse, Ekholm, Bouchard and whatever guy they can get at the deadline that can keep the grade A++ chances to a minimum.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Akey, O'Reilly, 2026 first etc aren't going to get us what we need in net. Sorry.

Since when did extra goalies cost this much? Are you talking Saros or someone better? Gibson has been on the outs for years and carries a hefty price tag to boot.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Gibson isn't even the starter on the Ducks

The Ducks have 2 goalies better than our starter. They are lucky.

That's like another fan saying saying "HUH, DRAI ISNT EVEN THE TEAMS #1C!"