Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Soundwave]

Paying $6m for Broberg and Holloway wasn't really a favorable option either. I'm sure we can imagine how those contracts would've been judged by yourself at any sign of struggle by either player.

Never should have got to that point, they could have locked both of them up as RFAs earlier.

We tried to do the same thing to the two of them as they did to McLeod two years prior and it blew up in the front office’s face.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I asked Gregor years ago on Twitter why he was still employed and he gave the usual “he’s a great guy in the room” or whatever half baked answer. If Katz wants a Cup (and I’m not convinced he does), he cans this loser.

Your hate for Katz makes you say the dumbest shit.

 

[McDoused]

I would love a Jason Dickinson type to come in and make life miserable for the other teams top players.

When the Avs won, they had Kadri. Florida had Bennett (and barkov as a shutdown guy).

Who do avs fans complain about manhandling mackinnon the most? I want that guy.

 

[Soundwave]

I would love a Jason Dickinson type to come in and make life miserable for the other teams top players.

When the Avs won, they had Kadri. Florida had Bennett (and barkov as a shutdown guy).

Who do avs fans complain about manhandling mackinnon the most? I want that guy.

I don’t mind the player type but 4.25 mill for probably another bottom 6 player is just way too much.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

the reason I want to add a goaltender is because that’s the last line of defense. A hot goalie can carry you through a round without McDavid or Draisaitl’s help.

Where else are you going to add someone that could have that level of impact on the game?

 

[belair]

Never should have got to that point, they could have locked both of them up as RFAs earlier.

We tried to do the same thing to the two of them as they did to McLeod two years prior and it blew up in the front office’s face.

And as I heavily sold for the year and a half prior, keeping Broberg happy was a risky proposition that started with us moving on from Brett Kulak. The rope-a-dope usage with him over the years wore out the relationship with the organization.

McLeod turned up roses for the franchise. He was a highly productive 2nd round pick that played solid NHL minutes and was traded for a borderline blue chip prospect winger.

Holland's process of slow-cooking prospects is solid in theory. But it isn't realistic for guys with big draft pedigree. That's millions of dollars in potential earnings that Broberg is foregoing because the team trusts a veteran more to play a tertiary role.

 

[soothsayer]

I would be very interest in seeing how Gibson would perform behind a cup contender all of a sudden.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

Never should have got to that point, they could have locked both of them up as RFAs earlier.

We tried to do the same thing to the two of them as they did to McLeod two years prior and it blew up in the front office’s face.

We have a thread for that

 

[Echodek]

I would be very interest in seeing how Gibson would perform behind a cup contender all of a sudden.

Gibson I find intriguing because if he ends up not working out then he’s a least going to give you goaltending on par with that of Skinner. But if he does work out, he could be a difference maker.

 

[Soundwave]

the reason I want to add a goaltender is because that’s the last line of defense. A hot goalie can carry you through a round without McDavid or Draisaitl’s help.

Where else are you going to add someone that could have that level of impact on the game?

The forward crop for this years trade deadline looks poor too. D is not much better.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Schwartz predates McDavid. Since then we have Eakins, Nelson, McLellan, Hitchcock, Tippet and Woodcroft all get fired. And they are now on their 4th GM. Gulutzan came in 2018 but I think you can certainly point to his successes. Since Schwartz has been the goaltending coach what evidence is their that he has been a positive difference maker. It's a results oriented league. If the results aren't there maybe try something else.

I was curious about your post and wanted to look into goalie coach tenure within NHL organizations. Whether there was high turnover tied to coaching staff turnover or not. This list which I've not qualified suggest NHL goaltender coaches are long-term hires that outlive the highly transient reality of NHL head coaches world: Complete History of NHL Goalie Coaches | Goalie Coaches

Personally I'm not sure Gulutzan deserves credit for a PP1 that run by an all-time generational super elite and a second running mate who will also be a hall of fame player. There are some set plays for sure but Gulutzan himself credits the jazz improvisational inherent greatness of McDavid and Draisaitl for a once historic level PP. Both McDavid and Draisaitl were #1 and #3 overall draft picks and the unit includes a second #1 overall and a 10th overall pick. Hyman's the outlier. Gulutzan's challenge comes now with league wide adjustments that's pushed the Oil PP to 7th.

Schwartz has worked with a parade of veteran goaltenders which have been largely retreaded, established ones closer to aging out phase of career than entry level or early prime years. His success would be developing a 3rd round pick into an NHL back-up and then an NHL starting goalie when the organization big money bet on an external solution Jack Campbell failed almost immediately. Skinner was recognized externally as a Calder Trophy Finalist; NHL All Star; and NHL All Rookie Team. Team results with their contingency necessity goaltender includes a Game 7 Stanley Cup Final run.

Schwartz has helped several junior age prospect goaltenders develop into NHL goaltenders, Boissoit, Jarry, Hart, Skinner. Those are reasonable results given the positional challenge involved of only two per team and exceedingly low likelihood of junior hockey players moving into professional careers and lesser still to make and play at apex NHL level.

Have said I'd probably fire Schwartz for his role in the Jack Campbell signing fiasco shared with overrated Toronto based Brad Holland. But this guy hasn't worked with the elite talent Gulutzan has (to use your comparison) and "his guy" didn't wilt under pressure when Campbell failed. The Oilers organization hasn't prioritized goaltending for over a decade. They've now pushed all their eggs into the Skinner basket apparently believing in their finally developed homegrown guy. One might say he also contributed to coaching up a career AHL goaltender into a competent NHL back-up.

Personally I'd trade for a 1A as stated many times.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Your hate for Katz makes you say the dumbest shit.

Yeah he’s a great owner. Ten years with no playoffs under his watchful gaze. How could we ask for anything better?

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Yeah he’s a great owner. Ten years with no playoffs under his watchful gaze. How could we ask for anything better?

A real owner would lace up...guy has no heart

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yeah he’s a great owner. Ten years with no playoffs under his watchful gaze. How could we ask for anything better?

Lol I mean the players on the Oilers and around the league think so. The growth of the Oilers says so. Being on zero teams no trade list says so.

Im sure you know better though.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Lol I mean the players on the Oilers and around the league think so. The growth of the Oilers says so. Being on zero teams no trade list says so.

Im sure you know better though.

How much of that do you think is McDavid being here? Because the team was completely lost before he arrived. He has money, I’ll give him that. Hardly makes him a good owner though.

Also if the rumours of Schwartz being kept around due to nepotism are true that’s a strike against him.

The org cut a lot of jobs a few years ago too, my cousin was working security before he was unceremoniously laid off. Quality guy, that Katz.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How much of that do you think is McDavid being here? Because the team was completely lost before he arrived. He has money, I’ll give him that. Hardly makes him a good owner though.

No doubt it’s a lot because of McDrai but it’s also because we have top notch organization, facilities and an owner that’s known to take care of his players.

 

[guymez]

Lol I mean the players on the Oilers and around the league think so. The growth of the Oilers says so. Being on zero teams no trade list says so.

Im sure you know better though.

I would say that Katz srtarted off badly and was a large part of why this team was so mismanaged in the early days of his ownership. He was a major part of the problem,
To his credit (after failing so miserably) he started hiring hockey people and then kept his nose out of hockey Operations. Now an argument can be made that he hired some very incompetent hockey people like Bob Nicholson but the Holland hiring was another step in the right direction.
I am not giving a stamp of approval to Ken Holland here but his hiring was a step towards being a properly run NHL hockey team.
Since then I have no issue with the quiet ownership version of Katz.

 

[McDoused]

I dont think I'm gonna convince anyone here otherwise so maybe I'll just stop ranting about it. I'm just passionate about something I see as a clear issue for a team trying to win a cup.

Edmonton has the best 5v5 HDCA/60 with only 9.31. We are also 7th best in the league with SCA/60 with 24.43. Can the defence be better, sure but you could easily make the argument that we are one of the best defensive teams in the league. Were 2nd in the league in SCF/60 and 2nd in the league in HDCF/60 so we're also elite offensively.

Meanwhile Skinner ranks 61st in gsax with a -1.7. Someone like Oettinger is ranked 20th with a +9.3. Gibson has been unreal, ranked 6th with a +14.6. It seems like a clear upgrade. He was unreal in the playoffs before and has better career numbers. To me hes a clear upgrade or at least someone you can tandem with.

The hope I see a lot is that Skinner turns it on in the playoffs while Gibson cools down. The argument is to spend the asset and upgrade elsewhere despite having an area of the team that is clearly underperforming to this point.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I would say that Katz srtarted off badly and was a large part of why this team was so mismanaged in the early days of his ownership. He was a major part of the problem,
To his credit (after failing so miserably) he started hiring hockey people and then kept his nose out of hockey Operations. Now an argument can be made that he hired some very incompetent hockey people like Bob Nicholson but the Holland hiring was another step in the right direction.
I am not giving a stamp of approval to Ken Holland here but his hiring was a step towards being a properly run NHL hockey team.
Since then I have no issue with the quiet ownership version of Katz.

I don’t disagree he definitely had some learning to do.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Marcus Petersson, oops I mean Cody Ceci, looks excellent in Vancouver in his few games. Poised.

 

[McDoused]

I don’t mind the player type but 4.25 mill for probably another bottom 6 player is just way too much.

Chicago would have to retain. The reason why I like him as a target is because Knoblauch seems to want to run a shutdown 3rd line. Despite having the lowest GA/60 on the team, Henrique has just never been that type of player that neutralizes other teams top players.

LA had Danault, Vegas has Karlsson, Vancouver had Miller. Adding that type of player would be huge up front.

 

[McDoused]

Marcus Petersson, oops I mean Cody Ceci, looks excellent in Vancouver in his few games. Poised.

I honestly can't tell which Pettersson is doing what.

 

[Oilhawks]

Marcus Petersson, oops I mean Cody Ceci, looks excellent in Vancouver in his few games. Poised.

I think they should have traded Savoie and the next 3 firsts to beat their offer, personally.

 

[Joey Moss]

If Dobson is available I'm giving up whatever it takes.

O'Reilly + 1st + Akey

Sign him, trade him, trade Bouchard in off-season doesn't even matter.

Ekholm - Dobson
Nurse - Bouchard
Kulak - Emberson

Cup

 

[LTIR]

Dobson is pretty, pretty, pretty ... good

what could the asking price possibly be that would justify making this move from NYI perspective? would definitely be willing to reconfigure a few things for Dobson

Bouchard