Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Oilhawks]

Claim this round one pick!

 

[Tarus]

Claim this round one pick!

I was surprised he even got the Pittsburgh contract.

Couldn't even hack it with a completely fresh start on a two year, league min contract before they just wanted him to just go away before the contract ended.

 

[Jumptheshark]

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Wander what happened when Pizza Boy was sent to the farm. He got 3 pts in 4 games and then nothing. Did he get injured or something

 

[Mr Positive]

I'm not sure why you're using Minnesota as a team to aspire to. They tried to trade Gustavsson for peanuts in the off-season, and now he's a top-10 goalie this year. That wasn't by Bill Guerin's design.
Fleury was a sub .900 goalie in 40 games last year.
That hotshot goalie that he drafted in. the first round is floundering in the AHL with a 0.871 SV%, which is worse than their other undrafted goalie of almost the same age.

Minnesota hasn't been a better team than Edmonton at any point during Guerin's tenure.

We don't know what Gustavsson was for sale for. Also they get full credit for having him. They only looked into moving him because they drafted Wallstadt. And yes, that team has had a lot of chaos for other reasons and had struggles at times. If we would have had Fleury maybe his stats wouldn't have been great but he would have been a great veteran mentor for Skinner. He was a fantastic addition to a team with younger goalies like Gustavsson and Wallstadt. Gustavsson catching fire may have been lucky, but it was bound to happen to an org that is constantly trying new things there and investing in the position. If Gustavsson wouldn't have emerged then someone else would have.

Minnesota has been far better than Edmonton when it's come to goaltending. This is a perfect example to use. They get fantastic results and it's not even that expensive. It's just that Guerin cares about goaltending. We obsess on forward and defense at the expensive of goaltending.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I was surprised he even got the Pittsburgh contract.

Couldn't even hack it with a completely fresh start on a two year, league min contract before they just wanted him to just go away before the contract ended.

He is a deer in the headlights. He just can't play like Yak used to. Doesn't know where to go, where to be, etc. Gets in the way. Same as he was here.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I was piggybacking on the poster's comment with cited Minnesota. There's better models off building a sustaining pipeline of quality NHL goaltenders and prospect pools. Fact remains that Minnesota has built into their strategic plan a short-term approach to improve its goaltending and a long-term one as well. They haven't settled. Goaltending is also a product of team defense. They are a team playing essentially short handed with the big cap penalty for flushing Suter and Parise yet continued to be competitive. Think there's a viable rationale for goaltender statistics based upon the bigger hard organization decisions that were made with the future in mind.

The hotshot goaltender prospect is where he needs to be. Again it's hard to separate goaltender stats from team play so I'd have to look at their farm team to gage the hotshot's actual development path. There's a coherent development plan in place. Whether he gets there is still to be written.

Conversely the Oilers approach has been to invest everywhere else and hope goaltending will hold up. Then they blew their wad on a highly questionable veteran leaving a mid-level prospect to step into the fire.

EDIT: Evaluating a first ballot HOF goaltender's impact solely on SAV% is extremely limited to the depth of leadership, mentorship, and overall consistency the guy has delivered. They've had solid goaltending from him through a retool phase and essentially another goaltender coach/mentor available to their whole team.

I think if anything it just proves how big of a crapshoot goaltending is. Minnesota is an example of prioritizing building a pipeline from drafting a goalie in the first round to drafting a HOFer mentor backup, and then you have a team like Washington or Vegas that flips cheap goalies from year to year without any great strategy. Do they achieve the same results? Seemingly so. The league is built on either drafting and hitting on the super elites that can be counted on one hand, or rolling the dice on "the rest". The rest being the Gustavssons and Talbots in the league that are bottom-10 one year, top-10 the next or somewhere in the mushy middle.

 

[Tarus]

He is a deer in the headlights. He just can't play like Yak used to. Doesn't know where to go, where to be, etc. Gets in the way. Same as he was here.

Yeah, I'm not at all surprised.

First preseason game I ever saw him play in Oiler silks right after he was drafted, my impression that he was a dullard on skates.

Suffice to say, he's never proven me wrong.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

We don't know what Gustavsson was for sale for. Also they get full credit for having him. They only looked into moving him because they drafted Wallstadt. And yes, that team has had a lot of chaos for other reasons and had struggles at times. If we would have had Fleury maybe his stats wouldn't have been great but he would have been a great veteran mentor for Skinner. He was a fantastic addition to a team with younger goalies like Gustavsson and Wallstadt. Gustavsson catching fire may have been lucky, but it was bound to happen to an org that is constantly trying new things there and investing in the position. If Gustavsson wouldn't have emerged then someone else would have.

Minnesota has been far better than Edmonton when it's come to goaltending. This is a perfect example to use. They get fantastic results and it's not even that expensive. It's just that Guerin cares about goaltending. We obsess on forward and defense at the expensive of goaltending.

Minnesota had more goals scored against them than Edmonton last year and have more against than us this year.

And Seravalli has mentioned multiple times Guerin couldn't give Gustavsson away with his contract and the season he just had.

 

[Fourier]

Except every other coach has a steady supply of talent to work with. Look at how pleased we are with Coffey coaching the defense. Our defense improved but our GMs have invested so much there. Bouchard and Nurse are top 10 picks. The Ekholm trade was done with a lot of hard work and trade capital. The team has aggressively cycled talent through the depth. This approach goes double for the forward core. Goaltending? There is every indication that management believes that goaltending is not where you spend your time and money. Just put someone cheap there and believe the rest of the team will pick up the slack.

My point isn't that I believe Schwartz is great goalie coach. My point is that it is hard to know how good is because he's had so little to work with.

When you have an issue with a position the simplest explanation is that it's a player issue.

Schwartz predates McDavid. Since then we have Eakins, Nelson, McLellan, Hitchcock, Tippet and Woodcroft all get fired. And they are now on their 4th GM. Gulutzan came in 2018 but I think you can certainly point to his successes. Since Schwartz has been the goaltending coach what evidence is their that he has been a positive difference maker. It's a results oriented league. If the results aren't there maybe try something else.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Karmin Gill probably all over X losing his shit about now..
"GET HIM STAN!!!" "What are the Oilers Doing?????, Get Him NOW!!!"

I'm Karman Gill. Get the name right.

No I dont want him

 

[belair]

Schwartz predates McDavid. Since then we have Eakins, Nelson, McLellan, Hitchcock, Tippet and Woodcroft all get fired. And they are now on their 4th GM. Gulutzan came in 2018 but I think you can certainly point to his successes. Since Schwartz has been the goaltending coach what evidence is their that he has been a positive difference maker. It's a results oriented league. If the results aren't there maybe try something else.

Our goalie issues date back even farther. I feel the last consistently solid starting goaltender in Oiler silks was Curtis Joseph. We've had a handful of guys that put up a solid stretch, but they never seem to live up to the expectations of the role or the contract.

 

[Zerotonine]

Our goalie issues date back even farther. I feel the last consistently solid starting goaltender in Oiler silks was Curtis Joseph. We've had a handful of guys that put up a solid stretch, but they never seem to live up to the expectations of the role or the contract.

Tommy salo was pretty consistent. He'll even Dwayne roloson was below average other then the 06 playoff run IMO

 

[Mr Positive]

Minnesota had more goals scored against them than Edmonton last year and have more against than us this year.

And Seravalli has mentioned multiple times Guerin couldn't give Gustavsson away with his contract and the season he just had.

I googled that and I saw Seravelli only say that Gustavsson could be for sale because they wanted to play Wallstedt. Maybe there is something I didn't see but everything Seravelli was saying was speculation, not rumor. The only firm thing I saw him say was that the Wild still saw him as an up and coming goalie. The reason he is still with Minnesota is because they valued him highly.

Regardless, my main point is that I don't see the point in scapegoating Schwartz. If he were in Minnesota, or any other team, he may have had better success.

My focus is on the players. I don't care if Schwartz is replaced or not. If the approach to player personnel doesn't change then it won't matter who replaces Schwartz

 

[belair]

Tommy salo was pretty consistent. He'll even Dwayne roloson was below average other then the 06 playoff run IMO

I'll concede that he was pretty solid early on in his tenure. And looking back, I never realized that he played as much as he did. Really solid get by the organization.

But those Olympic Games broke him. I do also remember that we ended up getting Tom Gilbert for him.

 

[Zerotonine]

I'll concede that he was pretty solid early on in his tenure. And looking back, I never realize that he played a much as he did. Really solid get by the organization.

But those Olympic Games broke him. I do also remember that we ended up getting Tom Gilbert for him.

Yeah that goal from the red line off the nugget and in destroyed him lol I know i shouldn't laugh but fk that puck was going over-the-net lolol

 

[Shanahanigans]

Really need a player like Holloway in the top 6 in the worst way possible. A top 5 defenseman who can skate and defend, a top 6 forward who can skate and score. A goaltender who isnt constantly letting the team down and for ffs fire Schwartz. Bowman should be canned if teams like the Canucks, Knights, Flames come away improving more than the Oilers after the deadline.

This guy has been trying to fix his mistakes through the waiver wire all season. Unacceptable.

It’s crazy how all of this team’s problems except goaltending would be fixed by just having kept Holloway, Broberg and Foegele lmao. Such a self own by this management.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

He is a deer in the headlights. He just can't play like Yak used to. Doesn't know where to go, where to be, etc. Gets in the way. Same as he was here.

I think he may be on the spectrum.

 

[Soundwave]

It’s crazy how all of this team’s problems except goaltending would be fixed by just having kept Holloway, Broberg and Foegele lmao. Such a self own by this management.

Jackson blew it in the summer, there's no doubt now unfortunately.