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Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

VeteranPresence said:
I don't love Bowman's inaction on the goalie and (proven top four) D file, but Saad is a no-brainer if he is willing to sign for an immaterial cap hit. Even when Kane is healthy he'll have all kinds of rust, and it would much better to ease him into game action in the bottom six than expect him to just slot in next to McDrai right away.

We also don't know what Kane will even be post surgery. Can he still play the style that makes him so effective? Is his wrist any better from that skate cut, which robbed him of a lot of shot velocity?

I still want a defender who has played in someone's top four more recently than 2022 + a goalie who isn't in the bottom third of the league statistically, but I can't fault us giving Saad a look. It just can't be the only thing we do.
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I don’t think there is any appetite on doing anything with the goaltending by management. Stu and Dusty are full entrenched in this organization
 
Soundwave said:
There's gonna be a glut of players here if they sign Saad

RNH McDavid Hyman
Saad Draisaitl Arvidsson
Kane (?) Henrique Podkolzin
Perry Janmark Brown
Kapanen Philp Ryan
Skinner (lol)

Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Magical Trade Deadline D
Kulak Klingberg
Stetcher Emberson
Regula Brown

The above is stupid and overkill, ship out someone (Kane, Arvidsson) and bring back John Gibson, we need insurance in net more than continual forward/D adds.

I wouldn't be married to Arvidsson, JSkinner, Henrique ... these guys are not living up to the contracts they signed and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing 1 or 2 of the 3 gone. Signing them is not working out as hoped.
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In no world does Emberson come out of the line up.

Change isn't always a good thing. We need to be carful with this.
 
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Took a pill in Sbisa said:
He absolutely doesn't drive the play when he needs to which is literally why he was moved to wing a few years ago. If he could we would have kept Draisaitl and McDavid on the same line. He's been tried many a time centering his own line in the last few years and gets very little done.

Nuge has had a good 10-game stretch here but he's already proven what he is.
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Lets see how the team fares with McDavid, Draisaitl and Nuge playing without each other. Going back to 2022-23:

McDavid without Draisaitl and Nuge:

2.96GF/60 3.1GA/60 in 910 minutes

Draisaitl without McDavid and Nuge

2.66 GF/60 2.48 GA/60 in 1692 minutes

Nuge without McDavid andDraisaitl

2.62 GF/60 2.41 GA/60 in 1170 minutes

And for further comparison the rest of the team without the three:

2.05GF/60 1.94 GA/60 in 3826 minutes

Does this support or negate your claim? I'll leave it up to you to decide.

Then add this in: In roughly 1200 minutes that Leon and McDavid played together 5 vs 5 with Nuge centering the second line the team had 4.68 GF/60 vs 2.82 GA/60.
 
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Canovin said:
The Ryan/Philp upgrade might end up being Henrique if we sign Saad.
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Maybe, but I don’t love splitting up the top line.

Soundwave said:
Kapanen even got time with Draisaitl and McDavid when he first got here, Saad will be the same. Saying "you'll get a chance there" isn't the same as "you have a guarunteed spot there for the rest of the year".

It's not like anyone is playing that hot with Draisaitl 5 on 5 anyone that it would be terribly hard to move someone off that line. I like Podz, but he isn't scoring a ton and Arvidsson is performing like a 4 million version of Yamamoto. Jeff Skinner is in Knoblaugh's dog house. Who even knows what Kane is after all the surgeries.

We have like 50 forwards but no one has taken the ball and properly really secured a top 6 forward slot.
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I have no problem with them giving him a chance. I just doubt they’ll guarantee it when they haven’t been guaranteeing anyone else a chance
 
Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
In no world does Emberson come out of the line up.

Change isn't always a good thing. We need to be carful with this.
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lol why? If they traded for, I dunno, Cale Makar, we're not taking Emberson out of the lineup?

That was an exaggeration, but if Klingberg plays like a second pairing defenceman (huge if, definitely not saying I expect it), and then they trade for a defenceman who's better at everything that Emberson is good at, why wouldn't Emberson come out of the lineup?

I think the last spot on D is going to come down to Emberson and Klingberg. I would obviously give a huge edge to Emberson right now until Klingberg proves anything, but if Klingberg beats him out, then it's Emberson coming out for an upgrade.
 
Interested to see how Klingberg is going to fair between now and the deadline. I think a dark horse target for the Oilers is going to be Brian Dumoulin, not a big sexy name but he’s got plenty of experience and still playing close to twenty a night relatively effectively. Here’s a good write up on him from December, in the videos you’ll notice he’s playing quite a bit on the right side despite being a left shot he still looks quite comfortable.

 
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Arpeggio said:
lol why? If they traded for, I dunno, Cale Makar, we're not taking Emberson out of the lineup?

That was an exaggeration, but if Klingberg plays like a second pairing defenceman (huge if, definitely not saying I expect it), and then they trade for a defenceman who's better at everything that Emberson is good at, why wouldn't Emberson come out of the lineup?

I think the last spot on D is going to come down to Emberson and Klingberg. I would obviously give a huge edge to Emberson right now until Klingberg proves anything, but if Klingberg beats him out, then it's Emberson coming out for an upgrade.
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It's not the end of the world if Emberson comes out of the line up if Klingberg takes his spot and we traded for a bonafide top4 RHD. It means his extension will likely come cheaper too

If Emberson is the team #7, you're as good as it gets.
 
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Fourier said:
Lets see how the team fares with McDavid, Draisaitl and Nuge playing without each other. Going back to 2023-24:

McDavid without Draisaitl or Nuge:

2.96GF/60 3.1GA/60 in 910 minutes

Draisaitl without McDavid or Nuge

2.66 GF/60 2.48 GA/60 in 1692 minutes

Nuge without McDavid or Draisaitl

2.62 GF/60 2.41 GA/60 in 1170 minutes

And for further comparison the rest of the team without the three:

2.05GF/60 1.94 GA/60 in 3826 minutes

Does this support or negate your claim? I'll leave it up to you to decide.

Then add this in: In roughly 1200 minutes that Leon and McDavid played together 5 vs 5 with Nuge centering the second line the team had 4.68 GF/60 vs 2.82 GA/60.
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Nuge has looked pretty good at centre the last stretch of games. I'd like to see them give him an extended look on the soft minutes line as a centre. Saad could let them do that, and if Kane comes back, it definitely lets them do that.

To me, Philp is the worst player currently in the lineup. That's the guy you need to upgrade on, and moving Nuge to centre and bringing in a top six lw effectively does that.
 
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Arpeggio said:
lol why? If they traded for, I dunno, Cale Makar, we're not taking Emberson out of the lineup?

That was an exaggeration, but if Klingberg plays like a second pairing defenceman (huge if, definitely not saying I expect it), and then they trade for a defenceman who's better at everything that Emberson is good at, why wouldn't Emberson come out of the lineup?

I think the last spot on D is going to come down to Emberson and Klingberg. I would obviously give a huge edge to Emberson right now until Klingberg proves anything, but if Klingberg beats him out, then it's Emberson coming out for an upgrade.
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If Klingberg plays himself into a starting spot on the team I don't see another D upgrade coming.

I think Emberson is the perfect RHD #3. He's not getting enough credit around here.

Maybe I'm wrong and Emberson sits, but I doubt it. I wouldn't complain if we have lots of depth though.
 
Canovin said:
It's not the end of the world if Emberson comes out of the line up if Klingberg takes his spot and we traded for a bonafide top4 RHD. It means his extension will likely come cheaper too

If Emberson is the team #7, you're as good as it gets.
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It also gives you a legit reason to go 11-7 when the situation calls for it. Being able to put Klingberg out in offensive situations and Emberson in defensive situations could be a big advantage if you're rolling 7 D.

Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
If Klingberg plays himself into a starting spot on the team I don't see another D upgrade coming.

I think Emberson is the perfect RHD #3. He's not getting enough credit around here.
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To me that would be a huge mistake. One injury and you're rolling into the playoffs with the same D you started the year with, and you're relying on Klingberg to stay healthy and have no dip in performance. They should be bringing in a second pairing D regardless of how Klingberg pans out.
 
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GhostfaceWu said:
He's been playing primarily on the fourth line lately did you expect his numbers to be at the top
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Honestly I would expect a 4th liner to have good GA/60 numbers yes. They basically exist to go out and not get scored on while playing against other teams 4th lines.
 
Spawn said:
Honestly I would expect a 4th liner to have good GA/60 numbers yes. They basically exist to go out and not get scored on while playing against other teams 4th lines.
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It can cut both ways though. If the TOI is small enough even a handful of goal scan skew the numbers. But on the whole I agree that you don't expect your 4th line to be giving up a lot playing vs the oppositions scrubs.
 
Whoshattenkirkshoes said:
In no world does Emberson come out of the line up.

Change isn't always a good thing. We need to be carful with this.
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Yeah, it makes me cringe when folks take Emberson out of the lineup if the Oilers make a top 4 Dman add. No, Klingberg comes out of the lineup in that case, Emberson is rock solid in the lineup and he has the type of game that will show up well in the playoffs, he's getting better and better and is a legit NHL Dman. Lock him up now Stan.

The Oilers have their top 5 set, a strong top 5. Ekholm-Nurse-Bouchard-Kulak-Emberson. Everybody else will be rotating in that 6 spot and higher up if Klingberg works out or, more likely, the deadline add but those are the 5 the Oilers are going to war with on a Cup run no matter who they add.
 
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