Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[CupofOil]

MSN

"We’ve seen the Anaheim Ducks and Carolina Hurricanes utilizing contracts with deferred salaries involved for Frank Vatrano and Seth Jarvis. LeBrun said in his aforementioned article the Oilers presented a similar deal to Draisaitl last summer, but his agent wasn’t up for it. That’s fair and their right, but we’re going to say there’s been a change of tune in this world, and Rantanen’s willing to do it.
Rantanen hits free agency and wants to sign a deal worth $12.5-million per year over seven years, totalling $87,500,000 over the length of the deal. If 60 percent of that salary was deferred over seven subsequent years after his contract is up, according to PuckPedia‘s deferred salary calculator, that would help take his cap hit down to $9,918,713."

Deferred salary.... another way to get Rantanen to fit under the cap lol. Interesting that they mentioned we tried that with Drai but his camp didn't go for it.

I'm actually disappointed by that. Love Drai but am disappointed that he and his camp didn't want to make a move that would still be very financially beneficial to him to help the team.
I do like that Bowman and co. were attempting to be creative, Holland would have never presented a money deferral option.

 

[Fourier]

Which would be fine it were making 5.5 million per year but he makes 8.3 per year(!) Oh well.

But $8.5M per year will soon be par for the course for #3 defenseman.

The problem would be the assets needed to get him. They will probably be looking for a younger high end forward, most likely a center.

 

[Canovin]

But $8.5M per year will soon be par for the course for #3 defenseman.

The problem would be the assets needed to get him. They will probably be looking for a younger high end forward, most likely a center.

8.5M will be on par for the course for #3 defenseman at the end of Power deal. I never understood this line of thinking. Is 8.5M for Power supposed to be good for the Oilers right now?

 

[CupofOil]

The assets they gave up for Blackwood and then that extension, layers of messy.

I mean, who knew that a 4 year sample size was more telling than a 25 game sample size?
Blackwood has ability no doubt but this is a goalie that posted putrid numbers for 4 years running until this year. Bad teams or not, those are habits that are hard to break.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Really hoping Jake Evans is available come deadline day, but the Habs are knocking on the door. He would check a lot of boxes for us.

RH Center that is above average on the dot (51.8%)

Average/above average physicality.

Excellent PKer (most SH TOI among Habs forwards, on the #6 PK in the league)

Solid offence, especially considering his role.

Then we could roll out:

Hyman-McD-Drai
Kane-Nuge-Arvidsson
Podkolzin-Evans-Perry
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

He also has previous experience playing with Perry.

Not sure what the price tag is, but I would pay a 2nd if we had to.

Nice player having a great contract season so I’m sure he will be available but there will likely be quite a few suitors and Hughes will drive up the price so I doubt a 2nd alone gets it done, in fact I’m sure Hughes ask will be a 1st and someone who really needs a 3C might pay it or equivalent value.

Colton Sissons would be my choice for that type of role. Right shot C who’s almost 56% on the dot. An excellent PK’er who plays the shutdown role well, he’s a hard working competitor who can be physical. Having a down year offensively but has shown over his career he can chip in offensively from the bottom 6. Likely wouldn’t be too expensive to acquire with the down year he’s having and Preds likely wanting to shed salary wherever they can.

 

[brentashton]

I heard that was Avs highest offer, not the other way around

For what it’s worth Friedman suggested he was willing to take 11.75

 

[McDoused]

For what it’s worth Friedman suggested he was willing to take 11.75

He said that the Avs were willing to go that high, not that Rantanen was willing to take it.

 

[Fourier]

8.5M will be on par for the course for #3 defenseman at the end of Power deal. I never understood this line of thinking. Is 8.5M for Power supposed to be good for the Oilers right now?

The cap is about to take a huge jump forward. Every time that happened we have seen a big reset on contracts. Top pairing defensemen may soon be in the $10-12M range. I'd say this will be the case within 2 years for players signing new deal for the 2027-2028 season and beyond. Top guys like Hughes and Makar probably get $14M when their deals are up. That would make a good number three an $8M+ defenseman. You can already see this. Power, Faber, Sanderson all signed for $8M+.

The Oilers don't really need an $8.5M LHD so given the acquisition costs I don't think he is an appropriate target. But if Buffalo puts him on the market there will be a bidding war.

 

[oXo Cube]

I'm actually disappointed by that. Love Drai but am disappointed that he and his camp didn't want to make a move that would still be very financially beneficial to him to help the team.
I do like that Bowman and co. were attempting to be creative, Holland would have never presented a money deferral option.

If that paragraph was true Rantanen would have been signed by Colorado already.

So I'm not really putting any stock into the Draisaitl stuff.

 

[Soundwave]

The assets they gave up for Blackwood and then that extension, layers of messy.

Blackwood is .918 in Colorado, don't think he is the problem there. The front office letting a contract dispute with one of their core players hang over the team all year long and then getting cheap and blowing up what's left of their core is a massive blow to any team mentally.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I never saw Power as a cornerstone for a team even during his draft year. I do think he could be a good as Parayko one day

I persoanlly always felt close to bust with him. Not in a Yakupov type bust, he'll have a career in the nhl but he wont live up to his draft position.

 

[K1984]

Blackwood with another stellar performance tonight rocking the .852 and the insanely well managed Avalanche now 1-3-1 in their last 5.

Their "proactiveness" selling the farm in desperation for basically the only respectable goalie available and trading away a franchise star is really paying dividends. Wish we could have management like that.

Blackwood currently posting October Skinner level results. The cherry on top? Annunen has been really good for the Predators since getting shipped there for the pleasure of having Scott Wedgwood. 24 year old 6'5 goalie with upside.

But, no, it's our management that can't get anything right.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I'm actually disappointed by that. Love Drai but am disappointed that he and his camp didn't want to make a move that would still be very financially beneficial to him to help the team.
I do like that Bowman and co. were attempting to be creative, Holland would have never presented a money deferral option.

Deferral is such a bad option, look at all the hate holland got for the bonuses on Browns contract that were deferred to next years ( this year) cap.

Their "proactiveness" selling the farm in desperation for basically the only respectable goalie available and trading away a franchise star is really paying dividends. Wish we could have management like that.

Blackwood currently posting October Skinner level results.

teams are moving in opposite directions and yet people are fawning over the GM of the team that is trending downwards and throwing rocks at the GM of the team thats 6 points out of first place and 3rd overall, and the number 1 team in win% since Nov 1st.

Unreal.

 

[russ99]

Lowetide threw out the idea on Athletic today that the Oilers could acquire Marchand from the Bruins.

That would cure a lot of ails...

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Deferral is such a bad option, look at all the hate holland got for the bonuses on Browns contract that were deferred to next years ( this year) cap.


teams are moving in opposite direction and yet people are fawning over the GM of the team that is trending downwards and throwing rocks at the Gm of the team thats 6 points of first place and 3rd overall, and the number 1 team in win% since Nov 1st.

Unreal.

Salary deferrals don’t increase the cap in those years.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Salary deferrals don’t increase the cap in those years.

it doesn't go on the cap?

 

[McHelpus]

I'm actually disappointed by that. Love Drai but am disappointed that he and his camp didn't want to make a move that would still be very financially beneficial to him to help the team.
I do like that Bowman and co. were attempting to be creative, Holland would have never presented a money deferral option.

Let's say Draisaitl moved back to Germany or somewhere else when he retires. Wouldn't that effect his deferral amount via taxes? Like Frank Vatrano has basically said he is retiring in Texas and the deferral payments will be beneficial to him.

 

[Soundwave]

Colorado has never been the same since Landeskog went kaput. That forever changed that team as he was a big part of their heart and soul. Then they lost a ton of their depth on top of that due to guys needing raises.

Blackwood deal has been reasonable for them I would say, .918 overall in 17 games is not bad.

Not paying Rantanen was a mistake IMO because it will upset the chemistry of the team, even though it's possible Necas will do well there too for less money.

Ultimately though Colorado has their Cup, I don't think they have the same pressure on them. Still think letting Rants go is a bit baffling though. The cap is going to go up, you pay your stars.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

it doesn't go on the cap?

it doesn't go on the cap?

No, because it’s different than bonus overages

If we defer money on a contract, it only seems like they get more because a certain portion of the contract goes into an account and builds interest to account for inflation.

Let's say Draisaitl moved back to Germany or somewhere else when he retires. Wouldn't that effect his deferral amount via taxes? Like Frank Vatrano has basically said he is retiring in Texas and the deferral payments will be beneficial to him.

Some players want the money now, with a smart financial advisor it’s usually better to have the money now to be able to do things with it.

 

[CROTT]

Lowetide threw out the idea on Athletic today that the Oilers could acquire Marchand from the Bruins.

That would cure a lot of ails...

Could have the three stooges line Kane-Machand-Perry

 

[Arpeggio]

No, because it’s different than bonus overages

If we defer money on a contract, it only seems like they get more because a certain portion of the contract goes into an account and builds interest to account for inflation.


Some players want the money now, with a smart financial advisor it’s usually better to have the money now to be able to do things with it.

Does it actually lower the cap number if you defer though? Like why would a player agree to a deferral if it means they end up with less money than if they had taken it normally and invested it?

 

[oobga]

8.5M will be on par for the course for #3 defenseman at the end of Power deal. I never understood this line of thinking. Is 8.5M for Power supposed to be good for the Oilers right now?

Wait for Dobson's 10.5M x 8 after he finishes a ~40 point season this year. Then we'll be golden.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Does it actually lower the cap number if you defer though? Like why would a player agree to a deferral if it means they end up with less money than if they had taken it normally and invested it?

Yes, look at vatrano’s contract for example. He’s essentially getting 3x6 but since such a portion is deferred it only comes out to 3x4.67.

Some players do it for tax reasons if they plan on living in a lower tax state, and some players may want income security after their playing career ends.

There’s a reason it’s not the norm, because it takes a special set of circumstances for both sides.

 

[Oilslick941611]

No, because it’s different than bonus overages

If we defer money on a contract, it only seems like they get more because a certain portion of the contract goes into an account and builds interest to account for inflation.


Some players want the money now, with a smart financial advisor it’s usually better to have the money now to be able to do things with it.

I was unaware how it worked

Thank you

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I mean, who knew that a 4 year sample size was more telling than a 25 game sample size?
Blackwood has ability no doubt but this is a goalie that posted putrid numbers for 4 years running until this year. Bad teams or not, those are habits that are hard to break.

Hopefully some will apply this same train of thought to one John Gibson.