Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Messrules11]

Imo this isn't even up for debate. He's going to get 10+ aav and with full nmc. I agree it feels risky but it's just inevitable.

Someone back in the thread mentioned us maybe trading him. That would take some other team sending us a similar RD, but I don't see it happening

From 3.9 to 10+, that’s insane and will cripple this organization. Way too many warts for that salary.

Walking away from a guy because he's had a down year right after having a dominant playoffs (HOF numbers...) would be one of the worst mistakes this org has ever made

If he is demanding 10M+ you look at trading him / his rights but otherwise you take the good with the bad and move on.

If he’s that great the return should be as well, he isn’t that great.

 

[Oilhawks]

From 3.9 to 10+, that’s insane and will cripple this organization. Way too many warts for that salary.


If he’s that great the return should be as well, he isn’t that great.

You're not going to get much on a guy that isn't cost-controlled and could walk at free agency, unless it's an established talent like Rantanen, and even then, that return was underwhelming IMO, even as a rental. Bouchard would not be a rental, which would have more to do with that than anything else.

 

[Messrules11]

You're not going to get much on a guy that isn't cost-controlled and could walk at free agency, unless it's an established talent like Rantanen, and even then, that return was underwhelming IMO, even as a rental. Bouchard would not be a rental, which would have more to do with that than anything else.

Ya, it’s a tough one but much like Rantanen who is established if he prices himself out of reality you move on.

 

[guymez]

As much I've pushed for the Oilers to sign Klingberg, I wouldn't expect him to come in and be a top 4 guy. Even if he returns to his form in Dallas, he was a defensive liability in the lineup and prone to way more mistakes than Bouchard.

I shouldn't be surprised that the dude hasn't even played a game yet and fans are already penciling him in Bouchards spot.

Klingberg addressed his defensive limitations in the years leading up to the surgery. His injury limited his mobility and impacted his ability to proeprly defend.
If this surgery is as effective as Klingberg claims it is (and his mobility is back close to 100%) then there is little to no reason to think his defensive game will be the same as it was pre-surgery.

Now I am not suggesting that he will replace Bouchard. I am just suggesting that if he can get up to speed in a few weeks then he could very well be a top 4 option at RD and possibly even on the PP.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Klingerg addressed his defensive limitations. His injury limited his mobility and impacted his ability to defend.
If this surgery is as effective as Klingberg claims it is (and his mobility is back close to 100%) then there is little to no reason to think his defensive game will be the same as it was pre-surgery.

of course he Is going to say that. It’s easy to say. He hasn’t played in 14 months

 

[guymez]

Very well articulated.

Yeah I had to be clear that I acknolwedge his obvious talent BUT he has some major warts.
If his ask is close to $10M (long term) then the team has to consider if it will be worth it.

 

[BlackDogg]

What happened to Jethroangelo?
Bouchard is the only choice not?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Yeah I had to be clear that I acknolwedge his obvious talent BUT he has some major warts.
If his ask is close to $10M (long term) then the team has to consider if it will be worth it.

$10 million with the increase in cap would be like Nurse getting $13 million probably. If we can get him for $10 million you take it and run.

 

[foshizzle]

This is definitely a misconception about the player. He's not at all afraid to go to the tough areas even if he is not really a physical player. He's also not exactly a small guy. He is actually quite stocky and is strong on his skates.

Skinner has never played in the playoffs in the NHL. But for what it is worth he was fantastic in the playoffs for the Rangers. He scored 20 goals in 20 games playing as a 17 year old. Junior stats don't mean much now of course but I think the idea that he is not a playoff player needs some evidence to back it up.

If they can find a better option I'd have no problem if they move on. And in hindsight, Holloway over Skinner would have been a big win. But that was not really the choice at the time they signed him.

Exactly this

From 3.9 to 10+, that’s insane and will cripple this organization. Way too many warts for that salary.


If he’s that great the return should be as well, he isn’t that great.

All the statistics and analytics disagree with you. Removing his zone exits alone will kill this team’s possession numbers. Let’s not forget the most points in a playoffs for a d man, 80 point season- and is only 24 years old. I wish oilers fans understood the position

 

[foshizzle]

I have always enjoyed best on best tournaments. Going to the Canada Cup in 1984 was a highlight for me. But I have almost no interest in this one. It seems completely contrived.

Me too. I think McDavid can’t resist the pull of playing with Crosby and tugging on that maple leaf

 

[Ritchie Valens]

What happened to Jethroangelo?
Bouchard is the only choice not?

Vegas used up all of Stone’s lifelines putting him on LTIR every February until game 1 of the playoffs so they’re hoping no one notices when A.P. goes on it after this 4-nations nonsense. Pietrangelo’s cap hit is $8.8 and Stone’s is $9.5, so he’s the new patsy.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Imo this isn't even up for debate. He's going to get 10+ aav and with full nmc. I agree it feels risky but it's just inevitable.

Someone back in the thread mentioned us maybe trading him. That would take some other team sending us a similar RD, but I don't see it happening

im definitely not against re-signing him.

 

[Spawn]

All the goals at even strength and playing on the 4th line usually. Staples, who I hate, put up on article quantifying their defensive lapses. Skinner was tied with Nuge. Nuge plays on the first line. Let’s not look at +/-, which is a stat that makes little sense.

+/- feels pretty meaningless when looking at it across different teams. It makes plenty of sense when looking at guys on the same team.

And that Staples article was actually highlighting the at Skinner has been the worst defensive winger on the team. Not tied with Nuge.

It's funny. I was talking to someone today about the hope that Klingberg does so well that we could actually walk away from Bouchard. If we had the ability to make the assessment, I would love to part ways with his inconsistency, lack of focus, lack of compete, and inopportune f-ups. I would try to trade him to Buffalo for Owen Power. We can't afford two big defence contracts amongst Nurse and Bouchard.

And then, later, this post shows up:

Host: "Would Not Surprise Me If Oilers Taking Calls on Bouchard"

One prominent Oilers social media poster and ex radio host says he wouldn't be surprised if the team is taking trade calls on Evan Bouchard.

nhltradetalk.com

One can dream.

Lack of compete? Dude has been an absolute stud every playoffs he’s been in.

 

[Messrules11]

Exactly this


All the statistics and analytics disagree with you. Removing his zone exits alone will kill this team’s possession numbers. Let’s not forget the most points in a playoffs for a d man, 80 point season- and is only 24 years old. I wish oilers fans understood the position

I understand what he brings just fine. That was last year, this year where is he? Nuge had a 100 point season once too, he’ll never do it again. Nurse had a good bubble year as well and cashed in. 20M for 2 defenceman is where this is headed.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Vegas used up all of Stone’s lifelines putting him on LTIR every February until game 1 of the playoffs so they’re hoping no one notices when A.P. goes on it after this 4-nations nonsense. Pietrangelo’s cap hit is $8.8 and Stone’s is $9.5, so he’s the new patsy.

Pretty sure Pietrangelo will be back well before the season ends

 

[McDoused]

Pretty sure Pietrangelo will be back well before the season

Sure looks fine tonight against Florida. Leading all Vegas playes in TOI.

 

[McHelpus]

Sure looks fine tonight against Florida. Leading all Vegas playes in TOI.

I cannot believe he is playing, this is an absolute joke.

 

[oXo Cube]

Surely the league isn't going to look kindly on players just blatantly giving their tournament the middle finger?

 

[foshizzle]

+/- feels pretty meaningless when looking at it across different teams. It makes plenty of sense when looking at guys on the same team.

And that Staples article was actually highlighting the at Skinner has been the worst defensive winger on the team. Not tied with Nuge.


Lack of compete? Dude has been an absolute stud every playoffs he’s been in.

I’m not sure we are reading the same articles. The article I’m referring Staples was speaking about giving Skinner top 6mins and Hopkins bottom 6. They were both responsible for the most mistakes per 60mins. I’ll try to find it

Surely the league isn't going to look kindly on players just blatantly giving their tournament the middle finger?

What are they going to do?

Sure looks fine tonight against Florida. Leading all Vegas playes in TOI.

Classic Vegas. He is pre-injured

 

[McTonyBrar]

It's funny. I was talking to someone today about the hope that Klingberg does so well that we could actually walk away from Bouchard. If we had the ability to make the assessment, I would love to part ways with his inconsistency, lack of focus, lack of compete, and inopportune f-ups. I would try to trade him to Buffalo for Owen Power. We can't afford two big defence contracts amongst Nurse and Bouchard.

And then, later, this post shows up:

Host: "Would Not Surprise Me If Oilers Taking Calls on Bouchard"

One prominent Oilers social media poster and ex radio host says he wouldn't be surprised if the team is taking trade calls on Evan Bouchard.

nhltradetalk.com

One can dream.

That article is click bait. He got it from Paul Almeida who is no source or journalist

 

[bellagiobob]

Surely the league isn't going to look kindly on players just blatantly giving their tournament the middle finger?

It’s okay for guys that are clearly injured, which Piet clearly is. Oh wait…

 

[oXo Cube]

What are they going to do?

Suspensions and/or fines to the team would be on the table if it was my call. It's flagrant.

But I think more likely since Alex was first he'll get away with it and by noon tomorrow the league will have released an official list of acceptable reasons for withdrawal that will be extremely strict. Then start handing the suspensions out if players/teams continue with this nonsense.

 

[foshizzle]

I understand what he brings just fine. That was last year, this year where is he? Nuge had a 100 point season once too, he’ll never do it again. Nurse had a good bubble year as well and cashed in. 20M for 2 defenceman is where this is headed.

Where is he this year?
60% SF
58% GF
60% xG
60% SCF
58% HDCF

I won’t even post his zone exit and zone denial metrics.

Like I said 24 years old. 80 points last year. All time points in one playoffs for a defenseman. Find another D man with similar metrics in the NHL. The oilers do not make it past the first round without Bouchard. Find me a 24 year old D man with the same metrics and accomplishments. I’ll wait.

 

[McDoused]

We have one of the best defensive systems and buy-in across the whole league. The hope is that Klingberg recaptures his physical ability, and then meshes in our system. Look at how Bouchard performed in the playoffs. He was defensively great. Arguably a better all around D than Ekholm was. Klingberg could do the same.

Dallas has been one of the better defensive teams in recent history. That system definitely allowed for Klingberg to produce offensively but they werent able to hide hks warts when healthy. Maybe he needs a change of scenery but it's not like he was a product off a poor system for a bad team.

Klingberg addressed his defensive limitations in the years leading up to the surgery. His injury limited his mobility and impacted his ability to proeprly defend.
If this surgery is as effective as Klingberg claims it is (and his mobility is back close to 100%) then there is little to no reason to think his defensive game will be the same as it was pre-surgery.

Now I am not suggesting that he will replace Bouchard. I am just suggesting that if he can get up to speed in a few weeks then he could very well be a top 4 option at RD and possibly even on the PP.

I think you might be missing my point. I wouldn't be surprised if he should be better than what he was with the Leafs (assuming he is healthy).

My concern is that Klingberg was a very polarizing player in Dallas. Klingberg had 115 points in 180 games in his last 3 seasons with Dallas. However, he was also a combined -53 during that time. He's never been a guy who has been known for his defensive play.

 

[Messrules11]

Where is he this year?
60% SF
58% GF
60% xG
60% SCF
58% HDCF

I won’t even post his zone exit and zone denial metrics.

Like I said 24 years old. 80 points last year. All time points in one playoffs for a defenseman. Find another D man with similar metrics in the NHL. The oilers do not make it past the first round without Bouchard. Find me a 24 year old D man with the same metrics and accomplishments. I’ll wait.

Wait til hell freezes over for all I care