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iCanada said:
I think we should be trading with the Hawks, based on what we were shown here tonight.

Davison is ripe for a fleecing.
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I’d still like Reichel if they are willing to trade him for a pick. Hes had a pretty poor year but I think he could be decent here. Like to see some German players under Draisaitls influence.
 
Im surprised how much fans are hating on Chicago.

1. They were happy to give away Hall for free. No one wants him at 6M.

2. You only get so many retention slots and they clearly want to save their last slot.

3. They are only retaining on Rantanen for a couple months. Unless your Ken Holland, the price for retention should be relatively low with how much cap space non-playoff teams have.
 
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McTonyBrar said:
Kyle Davidson got drunk early this Friday. He gave Hall away and retained HALF of Rantanen’s salary for a third rounder 😂
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That's one perspective. I think they see it as dumping cap cancer for a 3rd, that will be close to a 2nd. I get that it is blasphemy here, but Hall was a healthy scratch on a bad team, who traded him as a cap dump, after acquiring him as a cap dump. He doesn't have much value.

Hall is noticeable on and off the ice imo. Look at his career transaction history -> bad trades, short stays and cap dumps. It tells a story, and we all saw his emotional maturity in Edmonton, there has always been rumours.

When the Oilers went to the press to shame Hall about shift lengths, how many conversations happened before that?
 
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Heavy Dee said:
Kyle Davidson just lapped Barry Trotz for worst GM.
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I dug into the trade a bit and I don't think it's that bad from CHI's perspective.

First off Hall hasn't played that well, his offensive production is down and his defensive warts are still present from his younger years, I think he has close to no value at his full cap-hit. With full retention at the deadline I could see him being worth a 3rd round pick and if they are lucky, maybe a 2nd.

I would consider CHI getting their own 3rd round pick back (a high 3rd rounder) pretty in line with expectations for a Hall trade, if they retained 50%, but they didn't and on top of that Hall has a penchant for getting injured, so they mitigated that risk in shipping him out early.

What they did do is retain on Rantanen's expiring contract and while on paper you can be like well that's a $9.25M contract and Hall's on a $6M AAV contract, they are clearly retaining more and while that is true in cap terms; but Rantanen is only paid $6M in real dollars this year and Hall is paid $5.25M in real dollars, the end result is a very similar amount of real dollars they are paying out.

I do think prior trade history has shown that teams are willing to retain pretty significant cap-hits on expiring contracts for not all that much trade wise so long as the actual dollars they are taking on are on the low side.

To me this is a Hall trade for CHI, with retention on Rantanen rather than Hall as a small favor. A fair trade for them in my eyes would be getting a 3rd and a 5th round pick, but missing out on a 5th rd pick isn't enough for me to call someone out for being a terrible GM.
 
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dem said:
You’re really gonna pretend Rantanen was a Hawk?

You think the Hawks were gonna try to steal him by shutting off the fax machine mid transaction?

Don’t be stupid
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Of course not but that's how it looks on paper. No idea what Chicago is doing. Unless they are trying to sign some big UFAs or trade for someone big.
 
McDoused said:
Im surprised how much fans are hating on Chicago.

1. They were happy to give away Hall for free. No one wants him at 6M.

2. You only get so many retention slots and they clearly want to save their last slot.

3. They are only retaining on Rantanen for a couple months. Unless your Ken Holland, the price for retention should be relatively low with how much cap space non-playoff teams have.
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Yep.

I had a few posts where I said Hall has no value at 6m. In reality he probably has negative value at 6m.

So there probably get some value for including Hall here. And like you said, it allows them to move Hall and have another retention spot.

I really don’t understand why Carolina wants Hall at 6m though. Seems like a bad use of a cap space for a team clearly going for it.
 
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For sure he has negative value.

And you have to look at the full transaction because Chicago used cap space to acquire Hall, as his cap hit was unmanageable for Boston given his play. They are just moving around money, people are thinking too short-term.
 
Sheikyerbouti said:
For sure he has negative value.

And you have to look at the full transaction because Chicago used cap space to acquire Hall, as his cap hit was unmanageable for Boston given his play. They are just moving around money, people are thinking too short-term.
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I don't think they were even concerned about 'value' in regards to Hall. They weren't getting much more than they received by retaining 50% of Hall's contract at the deadline anyways. That would've cost the Blackhawks over $1m in actual money. So adding him as a throw in here, negating any actual cost in the Rantanen retention, is a no-brainer.

People criticizing Davidson here aren't looking at the right things. This is a rebuilding franchise with an abundance of cap space. Their GM needs to find ways to get assets while spending as little of his employer's money as possible.
 
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Burnt Biscuits said:
I dug into the trade a bit and I don't think it's that bad from CHI's perspective.

First off Hall hasn't played that well, his offensive production is down and his defensive warts are still present from his younger years, I think he has close to no value at his full cap-hit. With full retention at the deadline I could see him being worth a 3rd round pick and if they are lucky, maybe a 2nd.

I would consider CHI getting their own 3rd round pick back (a high 3rd rounder) pretty in line with expectations for a Hall trade, if they retained 50%, but they didn't and on top of that Hall has a penchant for getting injured, so they mitigated that risk in shipping him out early.

What they did do is retain on Rantanen's expiring contract and while on paper you can be like well that's a $9.25M contract and Hall's on a $6M AAV contract, they are clearly retaining more and while that is true in cap terms; but Rantanen is only paid $6M in real dollars this year and Hall is paid $5.25M in real dollars, the end result is a very similar amount of real dollars they are paying out.

I do think prior trade history has shown that teams are willing to retain pretty significant cap-hits on expiring contracts for not all that much trade wise so long as the actual dollars they are taking on are on the low side.

To me this is a Hall trade for CHI, with retention on Rantanen rather than Hall as a small favor. A fair trade for them in my eyes would be getting a 3rd and a 5th round pick, but missing out on a 5th rd pick isn't enough for me to call someone out for being a terrible GM.
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Yup. Common sense here. Smart trade

Like wtf do ppl actually think CHI needs cap for? The deadline?

It's not a blockbuster by any means but it's an asset
 
oXo Cube said:
I know I'm a homer but IMO Draisaitl is a tier above Rantanen.

I'd still have just paid him though if I was Colorado. Keep your elite talent and shuffle the deckchairs around them as necessary. The Avalanche organization may never have a winger that good ever again.
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You are not, he absolutely is, it's not even a question.
 
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The more I think about this Rantanen trade, the more confused I am.
Why didn't Colorado just trade other players ? They couldn't just trade Mittlestad to offset what Rantanen is going to make? It doesn't matter what it takes to keep 50 percent of your total forward offense, you do it.

Colorado is hoping that Nuke and BrokenCog return to save the aves offense?
 
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