Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I just explained why it makes sense.

I don’t agree with your bowman assessment. He’s been here half a season… not even through a TDL yet. He’s already acquired 3 players for basically nothing that have contributed.

I really don't like Stan, but this is completely true. One of them scored the will breaking goal last night.

 

[timekeep]

If the reports are true that the cap could be $97M or $98M next year, the Oilers would have a ton of space to work with.

Unless there is someone significant moving out, I don't see the room for Seth Jones.

 

[Arpeggio]

Klingberg could look good with the current system because he'll be sheltered just like Stetcher currently is, but his skill level is much higher than Stetcher's. If he gets out there with whichever of McDavid and Draisaitl is getting the weaker matchup, it could make a significant difference offensively.

However, if that works, then the plan has to be to upgrade on Emberson for the playoffs. You absolutely need to spend that money (and I'm sure they will), because this is very clearly an all-in year.

It would be nice to add a second pairing d and a middle six centre, regardless of how Klingberg looks.

 

[foshizzle]

It is (or how I understand it), Bear and Milano are $2.8 on the cap, Skinner is $3M on the cap, the Oilers can add Milano then immediate put him on LTIR.

You can put him on LTIR but you don’t add that space to your cap.

You have to have the cap space to add that player to your roster as a player before you place them on LTIR. So essentially- you add nothing

So- adding Milano- the oilers have to have 2.8M in cap space- (which they don’t since they are in LTIR). They would have to clear 2.8M first- which I think you mentioned would be Skinner- they can trade for Milano- put him on LTIR. But if you trade Skinner- you are already creating space. You also won’t be accruing space.

 

[timekeep]

The first domino to fall leading to Pulock becoming an Oiler.

Honestly haven't seen the Islanders much this year but I used to really liked Pulock.

 

[VeteranPresence]

The first domino to fall leading to Pulock becoming an Oiler.

A D definitely has to be coming out of the NYI roster. I'd honestly take any of Pulock, Pelech, Dobson, Mayfield and Romanov.

 

[Arpeggio]

This is the Oilers best chance at having an overwhelming lineup, in the same vein as Vegas and Colorado from a few years back. You have the elite talent, and the depth, plus you potentially have a 30 goal winger joining the team come playoff time. If they add another impact defenceman and forward, they'll be running teams out of the rink just like those teams were during their runs.

 

[foshizzle]

But we can't fully bury $1.75M. There are also many other options for bottom-pairing puck movers who aren't just coming off a major surgery. This is looking to be more "smartest guy in the room" stuff when more obvious (and lower risk) options exist but Bowman, like Holland and Chiarelli before him, has to off the board unnecessarily.

are you sure? I thought the reason they signed him to a signing bonus vs performance bonus was the ability to be able to send his entire cap down. His signing bonus doesn’t hit the cap if the player is sent down. I may be wrong on this- but that’s what I heard from the talking heads

 

[K1984]

We spent $1.75M in cap on this player, plus directed the time and effort our pro scouting, management, and presumably medical staff for... no clear high upside. It's a total waste of resources if the player ends up only a bottom pairing defender.

lol - people doing their jobs. The horror.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

This is the Oilers best chance at having an overwhelming lineup, in the same vein as Vegas and Colorado from a few years back. You have the elite talent, and the depth, plus you potentially have a 30 goal winger joining the team come playoff time. If they add another impact defenceman and forward, they'll be running teams out of the rink just like those teams were during their runs.

Not to mention, Colorado had Kuemper who rocked a .902 saves percentage in their 16-4 cup run. Stu was .901 last year. Make the team overwhelming enough and we can easily afford average tending

 

[K1984]

This is the Oilers best chance at having an overwhelming lineup, in the same vein as Vegas and Colorado from a few years back. You have the elite talent, and the depth, plus you potentially have a 30 goal winger joining the team come playoff time. If they add another impact defenceman and forward, they'll be running teams out of the rink just like those teams were during their runs.

I'm starting to lean towards looking for elite forward and stable, non-sexy D man rather than the other way around for a few reasons.

1 - I'm starting to feel like having an elite D man is a (very) nice to have, but not a need to have. Give us another guy that can play a steady, but unspectacular ~20 minutes and I think that we're still more than fine. Nurse stepping his game up this year has been massive, and has removed the need to find him a baby sitter.

2 - Creating the dominance you mention a la Vegas and Colorado requires a third line that can bury the opposition in bad matchups. We currently have two lines that can roll, but not 3 as much and I think that the looks Hyman has had there the last few weeks is kind of a window into that thought process. Something like this would be unstoppable:

Henrique - McDavid - XX (elite acquisition)
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Kane - RNH - Hyman
Janmark - Philp - Brown/Perry/Kapanen

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - XX
Kulak - Emberson
Klingberg

The forward mix can be shuffled about a bunch of different ways, but I think adding that one extra scorer would create the opportunity for 3 lines that can roll over you and score along with a 4th line that's going to beat you on the forecheck. Some guys that may or may not be available that could fit the bill:

Granlund
Marchand
Boeser
Nelson
Nyquist

 

[Fourier]

are you sure? I thought the reason they signed him to a signing bonus vs performance bonus was the ability to be able to send his entire cap down. His signing bonus doesn’t hit the cap if the player is sent down. I may be wrong on this- but that’s what I heard from the talking heads

The signing bonus is part of the full AAV. IT doesn't disappear if he is sent down.

 

[Oilhawks]

I seriously want to know what conversation lead to Lamoriello and presumably also Roy signing off on a guy like TDA.

Lou: “Will he be clean-shaven?”

“Yes”

“Sign him”

 

[foshizzle]

Klingberg could look good with the current system because he'll be sheltered just like Stetcher currently is, but his skill level is much higher than Stetcher's. If he gets out there with whichever of McDavid and Draisaitl is getting the weaker matchup, it could make a significant difference offensively.

However, if that works, then the plan has to be to upgrade on Emberson for the playoffs. You absolutely need to spend that money (and I'm sure they will), because this is very clearly an all-in year.

It would be nice to add a second pairing d and a middle six centre, regardless of how Klingberg looks.

Emberson has been excellent- and is getting better. He also plays on the PK. They won’t be upgrading him- but adding a 7th dman. That’s if Klingberg works out.

Knob and Coffey’s system of defence is to play as little as possible in your own zone. If Klingberg can successfully exit the zone, and deny the zone- he’ll be a top 4 D here. The zone defence Knob plays doesn’t rely on one player.

Ceci sucked here because he couldn’t exit the zone, he gave up the zone way too easily, and couldn’t retrieve the puck. Because of this, Nurse tried to do way too much and that pair sucked.

Knob’s system also utilizes the neutral zone a TON for transitional defence.

 

[jeffff]

Klingberg has always been relied upon for his offense. He's never been great at defence because he's never really had to be....like most other offensive dmen.

Sounds to me like Klingberg knows exactly what is wanted/needed from him and has no problem focusing on that. He's big and is great skater. Trust me, he'll be just fine at defending in our system. Players evolve. He CHOSE us because he wants to be here, he'll do what is needed of him.

 

[Arpeggio]

Emberson has been excellent- and is getting better. He also plays on the PK. They won’t be upgrading him- but adding a 7th dman. That’s if Klingberg works out.

Knob and Coffey’s system of defence is to play as little as possible in your own zone. If Klingberg can successfully exit the zone, and deny the zone- he’ll be a top 4 D here. The zone defence Knob plays doesn’t rely on one player.

Ceci sucked here because he couldn’t exit the zone, he gave up the zone way too easily, and couldn’t retrieve the puck. Because of this, Nurse tried to do way too much and that pair sucked.

Knob’s system also utilizes the neutral zone a TON for transitional defence.

I don't see why you wouldn't be upgrading on Emberson, effectively making Emberson the 7th D. He's not going anywhere, I don't think he'll be offended if he sits in the playoffs in his rookie season. If you can add a second pairing guy that PKs and is better than Emberson in all facets of the game, that's a win. Obviously it depends on how Klingberg works out who would come out of the lineup.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

A D definitely has to be coming out of the NYI roster. I'd honestly take any of Pulock, Pelech, Dobson, Mayfield and Romanov.

Dobson is injured long term and thus NYI signed TDA. I don't think they're planning on trading a dman

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Dobson is injured long term and thus NYI signed TDA. I don't think they're planning on trading a dman

I thought I read he wasn’t going to be out that long.

 

[foshizzle]

I don't see why you wouldn't be upgrading on Emberson, effectively making Emberson the 7th D. He's not going anywhere, I don't think he'll be offended if he sits in the playoffs in his rookie season. If you can add a second pairing guy that PKs and is better than Emberson in all facets of the game, that's a win. Obviously it depends on how Klingberg works out who would come out of the lineup.

Because Emberson is the perfect 6th D right now. Upgrading that position would just be wasting assets for very little reward

The signing bonus is part of the full AAV. IT doesn't disappear if he is sent down.

You’re probably right, I don’t know the benefits of a signing bonus v performance bonus- I spent all
My time learning LTIR…lol

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You can put him on LTIR but you don’t add that space to your cap.

You have to have the cap space to add that player to your roster as a player before you place them on LTIR. So essentially- you add nothing

So- adding Milano- the oilers have to have 2.8M in cap space- (which they don’t since they are in LTIR). They would have to clear 2.8M first- which I think you mentioned would be Skinner- they can trade for Milano- put him on LTIR. But if you trade Skinner- you are already creating space. You also won’t be accruing space.

So send Philp "down" then they have space right?

 

[TB12]

Posted this in the previous thread but goaltending is our biggest need heading into the deadline.



Yes I will keep banging this drum.

Our resident expert on here will blame Connor and Leon for this. You know, 2 of the best players in the world, to prop up Moustache.


Get a f***ing goalie.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

People complaining about Klingberg is like people complaining about Evander coming to the Oilers at 1M. There's zero downside

I get the general sentiment of its a low cost chance swing at a potentially good player, but I think its different, no one had any doubt that E. Kane could still play hockey and at a pretty high level, the issues with him were character related and how might potentially negatively effect the internal lockerroom dynamic.

The issue with Klingberg is can he play hockey at a high enough level to help us when the last 2 seasons he played he was horrible on top of the rust of missing more than a whole season at this point.

To me in evaluating Klingberg it is 4 fold:

1) Was his crap play attributable to a lingering injury issue?
2) If yes, then its up to relying on medical professionals to speak on how successful the operation was and how quickly can he return to close to peak form.
3) How did he look skating, how rusty are his hands?
4) Is he the right fit? Not speaking as to right now, but more playoff oriented when the speed and intensity and quality of competition are that notch higher.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Posted this in the previous thread but goaltending is our biggest need heading into the deadline.



Yes I will keep banging this drum.

Too bad management doesn't share your vision. Oh well. They're not concerned with winning Cups.

 

[Da McBomb]

Just hypothetically speaking... if Drai had waited to sign his contract and signed after this year, do you think he could have gotten more that $14.5 million after this MVP season he is having?

 

[K1984]

Just hypothetically speaking... if Drai had waited to sign his contract and signed after this year, do you think he could have gotten more that $14.5 million after this MVP season he is having?

Practically no because I don't know if there is a team where a deal exceeding that AAV is manageable. Any competitive team at least.

I'm sure a team like the Blackhawks would hand him a blank cheque, but then he's playing for the Blackhawks.