Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[GhostfaceWu]

Dostal 851 shots save % of .908
Gibson 553 shots save % .914

Difference .006 save % with Dostal facing 300 more shots

Numbers are not that different

Lol now the difference of 914 to sub 910 isn't a big thing and the gaa isn't Important. I'm not shitting on dostal but more than a few people in here were arguing against Gibson cause of his numbers while saying dostal was doing it under the same conditions so Gibson got no leeway for being a bottom team 6 years in a row.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I think Hill, his cup win, and his current level of play is a perfect example of why the Oilers should be looking for an upgrade for their backup spot. Goalies are voodoo. Hill was Vegas' 2nd or 3rd option that season after Broissoit and Thompson. But due to injuries he found himself in net and ran with it and was elite for a couple months and Vegas won a cup.

Using your analogy of Skinner or Hill being a roll of the dice. I don't get why Oiler fans are so opposed to the idea of adding another chance to roll should you get a 2 or 3 with Skinner again come playoff time.

The only reason why you would be against adding another bullet to the chamber is if you think Pickard can be one. And to play devil's advocate, goalies are voodoo, so maybe he can be.

 

[McDNicks17]

I think Hill, his cup win, and his current level of play is a perfect example of why the Oilers should be looking for an upgrade for their backup spot. Goalies are voodoo. Hill was Vegas' 2nd or 3rd option that season after Broissoit and Thompson. But due to injuries he found himself in net and ran with it and was elite for a couple months and Vegas won a cup.

Using your analogy of Skinner or Hill being a roll of the dice. I don't get why Oiler fans are so opposed to the idea of adding another chance to roll should you get a 2 or 3 with Skinner again come playoff time.

It would be interesting to see if Rodrigue could be that third string dice roll.

Adding a goalie and burying him before we even get a glimpse would kind of suck.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Wow SBow didn't try going after him again? That's Saad

I spoke too soon

 

[Spawn]

It would be interesting to see if Rodrigue could be that third string bullet.

Adding a goalie and burying him before we even get a glimpse would kind of suck.

Yeah, I wish we had given him some starts this year so far. I get its tough to do with roster spots and such, but considering how often we've been calling up Brown just to have a 7th d-man sitting around doing nothing you'd think we could have called up Rodrigue once or twice to give him a game here or there.

I mean part of it is the blessing of having head relatively good health throughout the lineup (knock on wood), but a guy like Skinner or Pickard missing a week or two with a minor injury wouldn't have been the end of the world to see what we had in Rodrigue.

 

[belair]

Acquiring Rantanen would break one of my general team building rules in that you never give elite money to a winger unless they are play drivers e.g. P. Kane, Panarin, Kaprizov or elite 2-way guys e.g. Marian Hossa or Mark Stone. Elite Snipers while valuable and important I don't think drive results to the same degree as the other two types or elevate those around them to the same extent.

Don't get me wrong he is appealing and I think him and Drai together would be broken, but I'd have a similar hard line in the sand to COL, in that $11.5-$12M range and even that price I think is only workable cause the cap seems poised to continue rising and I could see Podz or another $1-$2M forward completing that trio.

Rantanen has two-way acumen and I'd argue that he's a Hossa caliber winger. I'm not arguing that he'd be a smart add at $14m if it takes away from an integral part of your roster. But Rantanen is a top 10 forward in the league. He's a three position forward that routinely elevates his icetime into the stratosphere.

 

[Spawn]

The only reason why you would be against adding another bullet to the chamber is if you think Pickard can be one. And to play devil's advocate, goalies are voodoo, so maybe he can be.

Fair enough, although with no disrespect to Pickard, he's a soon to be 33 year old goalie who has been nothing but a career minor league/backup tweener to this point in his career and I don't think he's really shown anything in his career to think he's a guy who can catch fire and have a ~2 month stretch of elite play at this level.

 

[K1984]

Nov 1 to Jan 29 this season:
17-7-2 with a .909 sv%

Exact same stretch of Nov 1 to Jan 29 last season:
22-7 with a .917 sv%

Season before from Feb 1st to end of season:
16-4-2 with a .914 sv%

These stretches are not unusual for Skinner in his career. We're only in year 3 afterall.

With the patented inconsistencies that everyone is worried about baked into both of those prior samples.

Since November 1 he's had 2 instances of sub-.900 SV% for more than one game in a row (and the first instance was the first 3 games of November, kind of ahead of him figuring it out after he blew the game in Toronto).

From Nov 1 - Jan 29 last year he had 3 instances - and this was during the 16 game streak filling a lot of that space. One of the instances were two in a row sub-.800.

The season before he had 2 instances (same as this year), except one of them spanned 4 straight games. He also had a stretch of 3 in 4 below .900 that didn't fit into my qualifier, but was a dive nonetheless.

I feel like this year his play has been much more in a normal range. It isn't 4 in a row of .960 followed by 4 in a row of .830. There seems to be a much more reliable pattern. If the NHL would enter 2025 and allow an excel export of his game logs it would be quite helpful to graph it, but they don't so here we are lol.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I spoke too soon

Do these guys... know anything?

 

[Oilers88]

Wonder what Gene's

I spoke too soon

Is that guy actually a source? Anything from Stauffer so far tonight?

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Fair enough, although with no disrespect to Pickard, he's a soon to be 33 year old goalie who has been nothing but a career minor league/backup tweener to this point in his career and I don't think he's really shown anything in his career to think he's a guy who can catch fire and have a ~2 month stretch of elite play at this level.

I agree with you, but goaltending is such a black box that you might just be inclined to stick with what's working. Pickard has been winning you games this year and to his credit, showed up at crunch time in the playoffs.

It's tough because he's supposedly great in the room, fits in well with the players, has worked hard, and is putting up results. To go against that and add a guy who may not necessarily fit the system or perform at a similar level is a risk. Only a legitimate upgrade could be considered worth it, and YMMV as to who that is.

Wonder what Gene's

Is that guy actually a source? Anything from Stauffer so far tonight?

from Stauff today

 

[jukon]

The Grubauer waiving is interesting.

The Kraken don't really have anything in the AHL. I wonder if we're going to see a goalie trade?

Grubauer for Jarry maybe? Both need a change of scenery.

 

[Spawn]

Rantanen has two-way acumen and I'd argue that he's a Hossa caliber winger. I'm not arguing that he'd be a smart add at $14m if it takes away from an integral part of your roster. But Rantanen is a top 10 forward in the league. He's a three position forward that routinely elevates his icetime into the stratosphere.

I'll be very curious to see how Rantanen performs outside of Colorado and away from Mackinnon and how well Necas performs in Colorado. Part of Rantanen's ice time is Bednar insisting on running MacKinnon into the ground every game. Just look at Necas' first 3 games in Colorado. Thrown onto a line with MacKinnon and two 25 minute games already. Meanwhile Rantanen now that he's in Carolina? Two games down below 19 minutes.

Not saying you're wrong, but this stretch in Carolina has a chance to make a big impact on his potential career earnings if he doesn't knock it out of the park.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Dostal 851 shots save % of .908
Gibson 553 shots save % .914

Difference .006 save % with Dostal facing 300 more shots

Numbers are not that different

Calvin Pickard last 10 starts..
9-1-0
2.51 GAA
.905 SV%

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I agree with you, but goaltending is such a black box that you might just be inclined to stick with what's working. Pickard has been winning you games this year and to his credit, showed up at crunch time in the playoffs.

It's tough because he's supposedly great in the room, fits in well with the players, has worked hard, and is putting up results. To go against that and add a guy who may not necessarily fit the system or perform at a similar level is a risk. Only a legitimate upgrade could be considered worth it, and YMMV as to who that is.




from Stauff today

Skinner's passing is shit. I figured that a pure offense guy would be a better passer. Of our offensive players only Hyman might be a worse passer than Jeff Skinner.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I spoke too soon

Should change the name from Oilers to the Edmonton Bad News Bears

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I’m hearing a ton of this Brandon Saad news.

Will anyone else be upset if we don’t spend big assets and just acquire Saad and Klingberg

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

 

[5 14 6 1]

Come on down Saad

 

[jukon]

So no clear update in net, what else can we do?

Back up the Brinks truck to Ian Clark's house. It's only a matter is time before another team snags him.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I’ll take Brandon Saad at less than a mill. Stauffer hinting we have interest in him.

What actually did happen to Brandon Saad? He had 26 goals last season

 

[5 14 6 1]

I’m hearing a ton of this Brandon Saad news.

Will anyone else be upset if we don’t spend big assets and just acquire Saad and Klingberg

We would still have 3M in LTI room. It won't be all we do

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I’m hearing a ton of this Brandon Saad news.

Will anyone else be upset if we don’t spend big assets and just acquire Saad and Klingberg

Yeah because we'd still have cap space to spend even after adding both, assuming Saad comes in at around 1M and Kane is on LTIR island for the remainder of the year.

 

[jukon]

I don't get how players agree to mutually terminate contracts. Wouldn't the NHLPA be vehemently against anyone doing this?

Campbell was such a nice guy I was hoping that he would agree to mutually terminate. He probably offered but Kenny said "don't worry, we will just buy you out".

 

[Spawn]

I don't get how players agree to mutually terminate contracts. Wouldn't the NHLPA be vehemently against anyone doing this?

Campbell was such a nice guy I was hoping that he would agree to mutually terminate. He probably offered but Kenny said "don't worry, we will just buy you out".

Most guys that do it are European guys who want to go back to play closer to home rather than being down in the AHL.

A guy like Saad is probably doing it because he wants another kick at the cup. He’s also made a lot of money in his career and might think he can recoup the losses he’ll have from losing the rest of this years salary and next if he lands with a good team and has a good end to the season and playoffs.

A guy like Campbell hadn’t made much money (relative to a player like Saad) and never will have the opportunity to match the earnings he got from his buyout.