Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Will Kane Want to Re-Sign Here?

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

The caveat to this is that Klefbom has 5.169 in real dollars with a cap hit of 4.167. So its a significant financial commitment for whomever takes this on.

The question becomes what draft pick(s) is worth 5 million dollars.

Bryan Little's contract was traded for a 4th

 

[bellagiobob]

Bryan Little's contract was traded for a 4th

Little's contract was a bit different though, with 2+ years remaining when the deal was made, and his salary is less than the cap hit in the last two years. Arizona wouldn't be the ideal match for the Oilers, as it's the opposite of the type of contract they are looking for.

 

[McDNicks17]

I remember people saying it was super out of character for him to fire a coach in season, yet he did that, he has biases and proclivities for sure, but I think he will bend a bit in an effort to get this core group a cup.

And it took him two months too long to do that.

Any dithering on the cap this offseason and some desperate GM will throw money at Kane before he has a chance to re-sign.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

The issue is that LTIR doesn't exist during the summer so we can't spend that 4.16 million on free agents or resigning players until day 1 of the regular season in october or whenever that day lands on the calendar.

In this offseason in a flat cap world this really hurts our chances to resign Kane and/or Kulak or a free agent that hits the market in the july, ect.

That's why we need to spend picks to entice another team to take on the contract. Another reason is that the money left on contract is higher than the cap hit.

edit. sorry i missed this got answered

Pretty sure there's a 10% cap overage during summer so that's a non issue. The only potential issue with LTIR is that it locks up your salary cap during the season but you can always move out salary+ask for retention if you're trying to make a trade deadline pickup.

And it took him two months too long to do that.

Any dithering on the cap this offseason and some desperate GM will throw money at Kane before he has a chance to re-sign.

Yup. Flip Foegele and Barrie for draft picks, pay picks to dump Kassian if you need to (f*** buyouts). Don't get cute with shit like sentiment and just keep the more important players like Kane/Kulak/Pool/Yamo.

 

[McDNicks17]

Anyone hear anything on that fella from the KHL they are interviewing?

Doesn't look there's anything too recent.

This blurb from 32 thoughts on May 17th is the latest:

22. A decision from Russian free agent Andrei Kuzmenko isn’t expected in the near future, but after initial interviews concluded with the likes of Edmonton, Nashville, Vancouver and Vegas, other teams reached out to make sure they would get their shot. One was believed to be Anaheim.

 

[Fourier]

The issue is that LTIR doesn't exist during the summer so we can't spend that 4.16 million on free agents or resigning players until day 1 of the regular season in october or whenever that day lands on the calendar.

In this offseason in a flat cap world this really hurts our chances to resign Kane and/or Kulak or a free agent that hits the market in the july, ect.

That's why we need to spend picks to entice another team to take on the contract. Another reason is that the money left on contract is higher than the cap hit.

edit. sorry i missed this got answered

You can exceed the cap by 10% in the off season so re-resigning Kane/Kulak should not be a problem until the next season starts.

Heard awhile back that arthritis isn’t covered by insurance.May be wrong but that’s what I heard.

It's not clear whether or not the contract is insured. If its not then Klefbom stays as it would be very expnsive to move him. But typically his deal would have been covered since at the time he was injured he was one of the higher paid players on the team.

 

[Nostradumbass]

With projected cap rise, it's more like 12M. Buy out Kassian and you get closer to 15M of cap space for Kane, Pulju, Yamamoto, McLeod, Kulak and filler. Still tight obviously but it's workable. Foegele is a guy that I bet a team would give up a pick for, just $2.75M for two more years for a big, fast forward that can pop in 12-15 goals a year just entering his prime so they could can work that cap space up to 17-18M fairly easily I think.

If they want a higher priced goalie, they'll have to move a lot more money but I think it's quite likely that we see Smith-Skinner next season which is fine because they need to see what they have in Skinner at some point and the clock is ticking with him not being waiver exempt anymore.

No. More. f***ing. Buyouts.

 

[Tyrolean]

Doesn't look there's anything too recent.

This blurb from 32 thoughts on May 17th is the latest:

If I was him, I would never go to Vegas with the way they treat their players.

 

[CupofOil]

No. More. f***ing. Buyouts.

No more f***ing wasting high draft picks unnecessarily. I explained a bunch of times in this thread why the buyout of Kassian is the preferred route. I'm not attaching a 1st to rid of his contract just to receive minimal.cap savings compared to a buyout. Makes no sense.

 

[TheNumber4]

The Oilers are going to try to re-sign Kane, but I just don't think they'll be able to compete with a desperate team that will back the Brinks truck up for him. Philly, Vancouver, NYI come to mind. (Calgary too if they lose Tkatchuk and Gudreau, which I think is more likely to happen than not.)

Would Kane want to hitch his wagon to a bubble team and all the frustrations that come with it? Would he want to goto Calgary and have to beat McDrai every time they have a chance at the Cup?

Kane looks like he thrives on winning and production. His best chances of that will be with the Oilers as other contenders may not have the room for him or want to risk what they have going on in the lockerroom.

The issue is that LTIR doesn't exist during the summer so we can't spend that 4.16 million on free agents or resigning players until day 1 of the regular season in october or whenever that day lands on the calendar.

In this offseason in a flat cap world this really hurts our chances to resign Kane and/or Kulak or a free agent that hits the market in the july, ect.

That's why we need to spend picks to entice another team to take on the contract. Another reason is that the money left on contract is higher than the cap hit.

edit. sorry i missed this got answered

If Kane and the Oilers agree on a deal, I’m sure Kane can wait till day one to put pen to paper.

 

[forlecious commander]

Doesn't look there's anything too recent.

This blurb from 32 thoughts on May 17th is the latest:

Yes
Last I heard Vancouver and Edmonton interviewed him. Could be an exodus of players outta the KHL

 

[Mr Positive]

Would Kane want to hitch his wagon to a bubble team and all the frustrations that come with it? Would he want to goto Calgary and have to beat McDrai every time they have a chance at the Cup?

Kane looks like he thrives on winning and production. His best chances of that will be with the Oilers as other contenders may not have the room for him or want to risk what they have going on in the lockerroom.


If Kane and the Oilers agree on a deal, I’m sure Kane can wait till day one to put pen to paper.

I like Kane to Philly actually. Well, I'd like him to stay here, but I think the odds are good and it's a good fit. Philly is a sleeping giant. They had insane injuries. They'll have a lot of cap space. They have a traditional identity for physical power forwards and everyone there would love Kane. If Couturier comes back at 100%, along with all the other all season injuries they've had, they'll easily make the playoffs imo. They were a regular playoff team not long ago, 4th in the league. Injuries are that huge a factor.

I'd also think that New Jersey might want to make a splash. Unlike Philly, they've only been down the standings though, but you got to think all that great talent will start to click at some point. Adding a veteran like Kane makes some sense.

Calgary is keeping their guys. Both sides needed this big year to want to stay together. It happened. So, they just got to hammer out the dollars. I know when FAs like Gaudreau make it this far without a deal it means they will test the market, but I don't think so in this case. The money will be there now.

 

[CycloneSweep]

No more f***ing wasting high draft picks unnecessarily. I explained a bunch of times in this thread why the buyout of Kassian is the preferred route. I'm not attaching a 1st to rid of his contract just to receive minimal.cap savings compared to a buyout. Makes no sense.

Both ways suck. Throwing away high picks hurts when we are trying to rebuild in a few years, buyouts hurt this team now when we are actually trying to compete. Our past buyouts are still hurting us, Klefboms LTIR is hurting us, Nurse, Keith and Kassians contracts, are hurting us. Our first this year is so Damn late it’s essentially a 2nd. A late first early second won’t be helping this team for 5 years, this team won’t be competing in 5 years time with our cap structure, we will be in San Jose land.

 

[Mr Positive]

Both ways suck. Throwing away high picks hurts when we are trying to rebuild in a few years, buyouts hurt this team now when we are actually trying to compete. Our past buyouts are still hurting us, Klefboms LTIR is hurting us, Nurse, Keith and Kassians contracts, are hurting us. Our first this year is so Damn late it’s essentially a 2nd. A late first early second won’t be helping this team for 5 years, this team won’t be competing in 5 years time with our cap structure, we will be in San Jose land.

plus, I know that the more high picks we have the better, but I think we do have a strong prospect pool for our needs. We could hurt it by trading some good picks and it would survive. We have some RFAs here now. We have Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Skinner, Niemo, Samorukov. For all of Holland's faults, he's kept the 1st rounders and done okay in drafting. Cap space is a nightmare starting next year. Hurting the prospect pool a bit isn't nearly as big of a deal.

 

[CycloneSweep]

plus, I know that the more high picks we have the better, but I think we do have a strong prospect pool for our needs. We could hurt it by trading some good picks and it would survive. We have some RFAs here now. We have Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, Skinner, Niemo, Samorukov. For all of Holland's faults, he's kept the 1st rounders and done okay in drafting. Cap space is a nightmare starting next year. Hurting the prospect pool a bit isn't nearly as big of a deal.

Prospects are all fine and dandy but when your stars are currently in their prime and the window is only so big, you need to do what you can to be competitive now, not worrying about 5 years from now

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Prospects are all fine and dandy but when your stars are currently in their prime and the window is only so big, you need to do what you can to be competitive now, not worrying about 5 years from now

Some of these prospects will be better players next year than anyone we could get for the same cost, Holloway and Broberg are prime candidates to become impact players within a year or two.

 

[Canovin]

No more f***ing wasting high draft picks unnecessarily. I explained a bunch of times in this thread why the buyout of Kassian is the preferred route. I'm not attaching a 1st to rid of his contract just to receive minimal.cap savings compared to a buyout. Makes no sense.

Holland is too scared to trade 1st round picks anyway. And by default buying out players is Holland preferred method. He bought out Sekera immediately. We still have the 4.2M dead cap from Lucic, Sekera and Neal.

I would start trading our 2024 and 2025 1sts. They're so far away that I don't think they will have any impact on the McDrai era

 

[CupofOil]

Both ways suck. Throwing away high picks hurts when we are trying to rebuild in a few years, buyouts hurt this team now when we are actually trying to compete. Our past buyouts are still hurting us, Klefboms LTIR is hurting us, Nurse, Keith and Kassians contracts, are hurting us. Our first this year is so Damn late it’s essentially a 2nd. A late first early second won’t be helping this team for 5 years, this team won’t be competing in 5 years time with our cap structure, we will be in San Jose land.

Here's the outline...

Lets assume that they trade a 1st to rid of Kassian...
Year 1 - 3.2m cap savings
Year 2 - 3.2m cap savings

Lets calculate the buyout...
Year 1 - 2.53m cap savings
Year 2 - 1.33m cap savings
Year 3 - 966K dead cap
Year 4 - 966K dead cap

Is burning a 1st really worth less than 700K cap savings this offseason (the biggest cap crunch offseason), 1.9m cap savings in Year 2 and avoiding less than 1m dead cap in Years 3 and 4 in an almost certain higher cap world? I don't think it is.
Say if you can unload it by retaining half and giving up a lesser pick, you're getting less cap savings this offseason and minimal cap savings next offseason compared to a buyout. Probably not worth it because this is the crucial offseason to gain as much cap space as possible.

None of the above options are ideal but I think the buyout is the best of the bad solutions in terms of maintaining a longer competitive window. Attaching a 1st to rid of the contract is slightly better for a win now solution but not enough to be worth it IMO.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Here's the outline...

Lets assume that they trade a 1st to rid of Kassian...
Year 1 - 3.2m cap savings
Year 2 - 3.2m cap savings

Lets calculate the buyout...
Year 1 - 2.53m cap savings
Year 2 - 1.33m cap savings
Year 3 - 966K dead cap
Year 4 - 966K dead cap

Is burning a 1st really worth less than 700K cap savings this offseason (the biggest cap crunch offseason), 1.9m cap savings in Year 2 and avoiding less than 1m dead cap in Years 3 and 4 in an almost certain higher cap world? I don't think it is.
Say if you can unload it by retaining half and giving up a lesser pick, you're getting less cap savings this offseason and minimal cap savings next offseason compared to a buyout. Probably not worth it because this is the crucial offseason to gain as much cap space as possible.

None of the above options are ideal but I think the buyout is the best of the bad solutions in terms of maintaining a longer competitive window.

Absolutely. If the team is having to use ELC to keep the roster afloat, that 1m in those final 2 years is the difference between being over for bonus or not, which makes the next year even harder. Also 2 mill in cap 2 years from now can be the difference between a shit grinder and a decent go good third liner. Hell 2 mill when used well is the difference between a shit and good goaleie.

 

[CupofOil]

Absolutely. If the team is having to use ELC to keep the roster afloat, that 1m in those final 2 years is the difference between being over for bonus or not, which makes the next year even harder. Also 2 mill in cap 2 years from now can be the difference between a shit grinder and a decent go good third liner. Hell 2 mill when used well is the difference between a shit and good goaleie.

I disagree. I don't think wasting a valuable trade asset that can be used to acquire a key player for the sake of avoiding 2m dead cap total 3-4 years from now. I could see the argument for clearing more cap next offseason but that dead cap in Years 3 and 4 seems pretty inconsequential to me.

With that said, with this pick being 29-32 perhaps it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to weaponize it to unload a bad contract. I'm just sick of these guys burning picks for inconsequential things, even moreso than the buyouts.
As you can see with all these draft picks coming up and knocking on the door and starting to contribute how valuable these high picks are. The Leafs shortened their competitive window partly because they burned so many high picks on what amounted to be nothing.

 

[Canovin]

It's such a moot point anyway in talking about trading 1sts to move or buying out a player like Kassian. All this work to clear up cap space and getting guys like RNH and Barrie to take discounts when there will always be players like Nurse who wants the larger share than what they're worth. So deflating to see.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I disagree. I don't think wasting a valuable trade asset that can be used to acquire a key player for the sake of avoiding 2m dead cap total 3-4 years from now. I could see the argument for clearing more cap next offseason but that dead cap in Years 3 and 4 seems pretty inconsequential to me.

With that said, with this pick being 29-32 perhaps it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to weaponize it to unload a bad contract. I'm just sick of these guys burning picks for inconsequential things, even moreso than the buyouts.
As you can see with all these draft picks coming up and knocking on the door and starting to contribute how valuable these high picks are. The Leafs shortened their competitive window partly because they burned so many high picks on what amounted to be nothing.

You need cap space to make trades as well.

 

[Okanagan]

I could see them attaching Samorukov to Kassian for futures. Sammy requires waivers next year I believe, and that left side is jammed, even without Kulak. Unless Keith retires.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I could see them attaching Samorukov to Kassian for futures. Sammy requires waivers next year I believe, and that left side is jammed, even without Kulak. Unless Keith retires.

I could see that. I feel like Samorukovs value plummeted off the planet this year. From his mediocre AHL season to his tragically bad NHL debut.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Doesn't look there's anything too recent.

This blurb from 32 thoughts on May 17th is the latest:

I don't know why Kuzmenko would give much time to ANA or VGK, I don't think Eakins has developed a single Eastern European player of note and even his Scandinavian players tend to play worse under him, he coaches a very NA style that is highly likely to cause a rough transition.

VGK had a pretty terrible experience with Shipachyov who is one of the more notable Russian free agent signings in the past few years, as a team they are heavily NA biased and while I wouldn't consider their style incompatible with his own, I don't see it as an ideal fit.

The other 3 I could see being good fits for him, of the 2 remaining I think we are the least likely to give him strong assurances of a top 6 spot which is likely what he wants to hear, but the winger competition we have isn't so stiff that if he excels he could play his way up and no one is touching us in overall center quality, even if he ends up on RNH's line I don't know how anyone could really complain about that as a rookie.