Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Will Kane Want to Re-Sign Here?

[McSuper]

I am more of a cap guy than a draft pick guy . How does us being in the WCF effect the Keith deal . I also take it our first round pick has changed from early 20s to 30 . Is that correct ? Making trade proposals will great depend on our 1st and whether we lose our 2nd this year Keith and our 2nd next year Kulak or Keith 3rd this year and Kulak 2nd this year . Lets hope we pick 32nd and lose but 2nds as it means we won the cup .

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

It's not about hitting you have to be willing to take hits to make plays.

He had 14 points in 12 games. His scoring chance numbers were quite good and he made a lot of dangerous plays throughout playoffs including vs us lol. He's just not the McDavid/Draisaitl caliber of player but a >90 point playoff pace is nothing to scoff at. He can play on the Oilers anyday (as long as he's not being paid over 9 mil or something). Matt Tkachuk is the one who went AWOL both on the stat sheet and in terms of on-ice gameplay.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Here’s an interesting question. With McDavid showing the hockey world he’s not only the best in the Regular season but also the best in the Post Season. Should we expect an uptick in the McDavid effect this offseason?

Any player with a brain could see that eventually a team with McDrai would do some damage and start threatening for Cups. Potentially with this run we could see that effect grow even stronger.

Wonder if there are any vets out there that are hard up for a Cup and want to come here on a discount for the best chance at it. Toronto keeps getting Pajama boys at a deep discount and they suck balls and won’t ever win.

Guys like Gaudreau/Forsberg are young enough that they will likely pursue the payday, but some older Cupless players who are still solid but their careers are winding down might be interested. Who fits that description? Giroux, Stastny, Edler, anyone major I'm missing?

 

[TheNumber4]

Guys like Gaudreau/Forsberg are young enough that they will likely pursue the payday, but some older Cupless players who are still solid but their careers are winding down might be interested. Who fits that description? Giroux, Stastny, Edler, anyone major I'm missing?

Giroux would be amazing here. Thinking he's liking Florida though... but maybe he wants an easier path not through Tampa and on one of McDrai's wings.

 

[sOiled]

I am more of a cap guy than a draft pick guy . How does us being in the WCF effect the Keith deal . I also take it our first round pick has changed from early 20s to 30 . Is that correct ? Making trade proposals will great depend on our 1st and whether we lose our 2nd this year Keith and our 2nd next year Kulak or Keith 3rd this year and Kulak 2nd this year . Lets hope we pick 32nd and lose but 2nds as it means we won the cup .

Making the WCF doesn't have any impact on the Keith deal. The conditional 3rd round pick for Keith will increase to a 2nd round pick if we make it to the Cup Finals (since Keith has been among our top 4 d-men in TOI).

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Giroux would be amazing here. Thinking he's liking Florida though... but maybe he wants an easier path not through Tampa and on one of McDrai's wings.

Personally, given our cap situation next year, I'd rather see us go after reclamation projects looking to rebuild their value since we can probs land then near league minimum. Domi, Galchenyuk, Maatta, Murray type players who have the pedigree and high level of play in past years but have fallen off in recent years for various reasons. If they bounce back we could get an strong cost-controlled option, if they continue sucking just bury them in AHL. Any formerly regarded prospects/young players who don't get qualifying offers this offseason fall under this category too. Kahun and Perlini didn't work out but they were worth the gamble, keep buying lottery tickets and eventually we'll land ourselves a Duclair, Nichushkin, Hartman type player.

 

[sOiled]

Can everyone agree that re-signing Kulak would be an excellent addition?

 

[TheNumber4]

Personally, given our cap situation next year, I'd rather see us go after reclamation projects looking to rebuild their value since we can probs land then near league minimum. Domi, Galchenyuk, Maatta, Murray type players who have the pedigree and high level of play in past years but have fallen off in recent years for various reasons. If they bounce back we could get an strong cost-controlled option, if they continue sucking just bury them in AHL. Any formerly regarded prospects/young players who don't get qualifying offers this offseason fall under this category too. Kahun and Perlini didn't work out but they were worth the gamble, keep buying lottery tickets and eventually we'll land ourselves a Duclair, Nichushkin, Hartman type player.

I've always been a big fan of these options. Domi and Galchenyuk I've wanted for awhile, not surprised to see Domi already working out for the Canes. He needs big games to play in with emotion and he needs a decent team around him for his skill to shine through. He'd be the perfect addition and gives us some grit as well. Wonder if his performance in these playoffs might revive his value too much though. Galchenyuk I still have time for, but I admit I'll need to see his Coyotes games, he doesn't seem to have done much though.

I think these reclamation projects are always good, especially when you have a team with talent that has a good shot at reviving them. And it's always been my default strat to get some good players on this team, but I think we can aim higher now. With what McDavid and the Oilers have shown this season and in these playoffs, good chances players that are established and not needing to be revived would come here as well.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I've always been a big fan of these options. Domi and Galchenyuk I've wanted for awhile, not surprised to see Domi already working out for the Canes. He needs big games to play in with emotion and he needs a decent team around him for his skill to shine through. He'd be the perfect addition and gives us some grit as well. Wonder if his performance in these playoffs might revive his value too much though. Galchenyuk I still have time for, but I admit I'll need to see his Coyotes games, he doesn't seem to have done much though.

I think these reclamation projects are always good, especially when you have a team with talent that has a good shot at reviving them. And it's always been my default strat to get some good players on this team, but I think we can aim higher now. With what McDavid and the Oilers have shown this season and in these playoffs, good chances players that are established and not needing to be revived would come here as well.

From what I've read on the Canes board they're pretty lukewarm about him. Apparently he doesn't get a lot of playtime and is mostly just a passenger on Niederreiter's line, so I doubt he's gonna cost too much. (I haven't actually watched any of their games, this is the first time in a half decade I've had Oilers games to watch at that time instead lmfao).

Also the thing with these reclamation projects is that they never actually affect your ability to go out and get good impact players. They typically cost like ~1 million or so and their contracts can be easily buried or waived. They also only sign for 1 or 2 years so they're unlikely to cause teams to reach the contract limit either. We should look to scoop a few up every year. If they suck ass or better yet, prospects like Holloway/Bourgault beat them out for roster spots, then you just dump em in Bakersfield like we did with Perlini and pretend it never happened.

 

[Mr Positive]

Can everyone agree that re-signing Kulak would be an excellent addition?

he's an ideal bottom pairing guy. So, the question as always is the cost. Our team will be tight. I do feel it is worthwhile to have him, especially for top 4 replacement in case of injury.

 

[belair]

Kane impacts the depth in a significant way. . He allows the Oilers a lot of flexibility including playing Nuge on the third line.

The cost to sign Kane is moving Foegele and Kassian. Neither player has made enough of a contribution to worry about. This is especially true with Holloway being so close to being ready.

Of course he does. He's a high end offensive player. Arguably a guy who'd be making $8m under normal circumstances.

But I'm sure you're completely aware that getting him under contract is a much more complicated issue than just shedding unwanted short-term contracts. We have to be prepared to negotiate with the younger players due raises in the coming years.

And while your point is correct, the Hyman signing also offered the Nuge on the third line option. Adding Kane has simply given us impossible depth because he's a rental.

Under normal circumstances Nuge has featured on a line with guys like Derek Ryan and Warren Foegele. I'm not confident you're getting an overly effective third line over a full season when you're focusing a higher percentage of your payroll in the top six. You're putting more weight on their shoulders.

I'd argue that it's cheaper and far easier to use the money you'd spend on Kane to build a preferable third line and provide the team with younger and more sustainable depth.

We're seeing first hand how challenging it is to navigate the salary cap with a top heavy roster looking at the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[McDNicks17]

Can everyone agree that re-signing Kulak would be an excellent addition?

Might be tough with the two lefties above him making just under $15M combined.

Probably need league minimum guys on the bottom pairing.

 

[belair]

From what I've read on the Canes board they're pretty lukewarm about him. Apparently he doesn't get a lot of playtime and is mostly just a passenger on Niederreiter's line, so I doubt he's gonna cost too much. (I haven't actually watched any of their games, this is the first time in a half decade I've had Oilers games to watch at that time instead lmfao).

Also the thing with these reclamation projects is that they never actually affect your ability to go out and get good impact players. They typically cost like ~1 million or so and their contracts can be easily buried or waived. They also only sign for 1 or 2 years so they're unlikely to cause teams to reach the contract limit either. We should look to scoop a few up every year. If they suck ass or better yet, prospects like Holloway/Bourgault beat them out for roster spots, then you just dump em in Bakersfield like we did with Perlini and pretend it never happened.

Domi is a player I see being a reasonable gamble if you have to let Kane walk. And I agree that a competitive team needs to be willing to take smaller risks like these to find valuable depth--particularly in scoring roles.

I have to argue that mid-range scoring forwards in this league are prevalent. Guys that can put up 20 goals or 40+ points over a full season when being given a significant role.

There are guys that are capable of that but when their role is reduced they're borderline healthy scratches. There's little to no middle ground.

And players like this are flawed, but still valuable. Because the 82-game regular season is a marathon. You need to pace your team.

 

[Paralyzer]

Making the WCF doesn't have any impact on the Keith deal. The conditional 3rd round pick for Keith will increase to a 2nd round pick if we make it to the Cup Finals (since Keith has been among our top 4 d-men in TOI).

And at that point, EVERYONE here would be ecstatic to give up a 2nd for a Cup Final. Nothing to complain about there.

 

[TheNumber4]

From what I've read on the Canes board they're pretty lukewarm about him. Apparently he doesn't get a lot of playtime and is mostly just a passenger on Niederreiter's line, so I doubt he's gonna cost too much. (I haven't actually watched any of their games, this is the first time in a half decade I've had Oilers games to watch at that time instead lmfao).

Also the thing with these reclamation projects is that they never actually affect your ability to go out and get good impact players. They typically cost like ~1 million or so and their contracts can be easily buried or waived. They also only sign for 1 or 2 years so they're unlikely to cause teams to reach the contract limit either. We should look to scoop a few up every year. If they suck ass or better yet, prospects like Holloway/Bourgault beat them out for roster spots, then you just dump em in Bakersfield like we did with Perlini and pretend it never happened.

Interesting. If it’s the case that Domi’s value is still depressed, I’d be all over that. Lots of skill and speed and grit.

True, very little risk. We are also probably in the best position league wide to be reclamation project central after players keep coming over here and reviving careers and having career years.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Can everyone agree that re-signing Kulak would be an excellent addition?

Kulak has been awesome but if the ~1.5m difference between him and having Bronberg/Samorukov/Niemelainen is what’s needed to keep Kane I go that route 10 out of 10 times.

 

[bellagiobob]

Edmonton gets no credit for shutting him down ? Take McDavid and Draisaitl out and see where crying Johnny ranks . Our 2 guys are setting record that Gretzky never set so not really fair to Johnny or McDraisaitl to mention them in the same sentence . Like Sutter said Edmonton stars are just better .

Apologies for the lie comment . It wasn't meant they way it sounded . More of me saying the facts don't support your posting IMHO .

Fine to agree to disagree. I will say that Johnny had a better playoffs this year than he has had in the past, scoring the game winner against Dallas. But watching him in the last theee games against the Oilers, I’ve seen that movie over and over again in the playoffs from him. Doesn’t show up often enough when it matters. A guy like Drai, with one good leg, showed what it takes to elevate your game in the playoffs. If I’m paying someone 11M a year they need to be more than a good regular season point producer. Looking for a player who doesn’t go missing in key playoff moments. Just looking at his playoff PPG without further context IMHO doesn’t give you a true portrait of the player. I’ve watched enough of him to know that I would never have him on my team as one of the highest paid building blocks. Your mileage may differ.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Can everyone agree that re-signing Kulak would be an excellent addition?

when they trade was done we all agreed he was Russell replacement

 

[belair]

Kulak has been awesome but if the ~1.5m difference between him and having Bronberg/Samorukov/Niemelainen is what’s needed to keep Kane I go that route 10 out of 10 times.

If Kulak prices himself out of Edmonton, I wouldn't mind giving Ryan Murray a one or two year deal to provide a buffer for those rookies.

It shouldn't be an either/or situation though. If you're signing Kane at the expense of defensive depth, that's a problem. What other areas of this roster will you not have the cap flexibility to address?

 

[CycloneSweep]

If Kulak prices himself out of Edmonton, I wouldn't mind giving Ryan Murray a one or two year deal to provide a buffer for those rookies.

It shouldn't be an either/or situation though. If you're signing Kane at the expense of defensive depth, that's a problem. What other areas of this roster will you not have the cap flexibility to address?

Yep. If we have to walk from Kulak to keep Kane. But if we are letting them both go its a huge mistake.
Kulak is better than all our prospects right now and if we have injuries, can shelter our youth from being thrown into top 4 minutes.

 

[Canovin]

Kulak is making 1.85M/yr. We can't afford another 650k to bring him to 2.5M? lol

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I think an issue that needs to be resolved is the Klefbom contract. We need to move that out before free agency so it doesn't limit our ability to make our off season signings.

 

[McDNicks17]

Kulak is making 1.85M/yr. We can't afford another 650k to bring him to 2.5M? lol

They've got about $11M in cap space with Klef's LTIR next year.

$2.5M to Kulak means you've got $8.5M to sign Kane, Yamo, Pulju and McLeod along with filling the bottom end of the roster and possibly getting a goalie.

 

[McDNicks17]

Dumping Foegele and using his cap space to re-sign Kulak is what I would do.

Holland has never been a guy who gets rid of his guys though, so I can't see that happening.

 

[belair]

Dumping Foegele and using his cap space to re-sign Kulak is what I would do.

Holland has never been a guy who gets rid of his guys though, so I can't see that happening.

I think that it's pretty likely Foegele gets flipped for a draft pick this summer. He makes too much for the role he fills. I wouldn't be surprised if he and Klefbom both get done before the draft.